Tanking BiS - 3.3

[Zelthan]

This is what I have come up with so far, any suggestions would be good. I personally chose agi/stam gems in the red slots but they can be replaced with all stam gems except for one if that's your choice.

http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=20938845

[Prentice]

You have got to be kidding. No tank makes ever makes every socket bonus. You do not need to be socketing for hit rating like you did. I dunno what you were trying to achieve, but you pretty much failed miserably at it.

Prot pally BiS does not use 5/5 T10. The offset shoulders are BiS.

[Zelthan]

Ok i changed the gems around and btw if you could read i said other then gemming for hit so learn to read before you post your only making yourself look bad but anyways onto more important things. after changing gems whats the new census.

[Melonberry]

Ok i changed the gems around and btw if you could read i said other then gemming for hit so learn to read before you post your only making yourself look bad but anyways onto more important things. after changing gems whats the new census.

Needs more gem changes and less 5 piece.

[Prentice]

Ok i changed the gems around and btw if you could read i said other then gemming for hit so learn to read before you post your only making yourself look bad but anyways onto more important things. after changing gems whats the new census.

I did read. That's your problem. Pallys don't have to gem hit. If you are under the assumption that you need to, you are grossly mistaken. TBH, you really can't look any more retarded with the way your set up that wowhead profile. You have never read an article about what a prot pally should be gearing or gemming for. You are truly clueless.

Don't try to flip this to make me look bad. As soon as the rest of the regulars start waking up and posting, you will get flamed for that profile.

[Zelthan]

OK since only paladins are hopefully posting here. Can u al give suggestions as to what needs to be changed in a more specific manner such as what gems need to be changed to what and stuff like that. Also the change in HP is very small if i stack straight stam in every socket and the Agi gives armor as well as some dodge.

[Zelthan]

Ok well instead of insulting me or attempting too can we all try to work together here and actually fix it instead of just making a comment on the lines of it sucks. that isn't very helpful to anyone.

[bapphho]

Glove enchant is bad.. you should get 18 stamina. You should pretty much gem for pure stamina only, apart from the purple in head to activate the meta. Pillars of might are BiS, not the tier legs afaik, aswell as the 277 gloves from princes and the lootship 277 tanking shoulders.

[Zelthan]

ok changed to Shoulders from gunship and the 18 stam glove enchant. Also should we try for the 4 piece or is 2 set bonus good enough.

[Prentice]

Glove enchant is bad.. you should get 18 stamina. You should pretty much gem for pure stamina only, apart from the purple in head to activate the meta. Pillars of might are BiS, not the tier legs afaik, aswell as the 277 gloves from princes and the lootship 277 tanking shoulders.

Last I read, if you have access to all 277 gear you should be wearing 4T10 with the [Boneguard Commander's Pauldrons] as your fifth piece. The legs and gloves are only best when you cannot get the ilvl 277 tokens.

You shouldn't be using a NMT as a prot pally. Because you are activating your meta with stam gems and a shifting dreadstone, you have no need to use a NMT. As such, the gem in your ring should be replaced.

Also, it is debated frequently, but 275HP > 10Stats on chest.

[Zelthan]

The profile is updated with 4piece T10 the Boneguard Commander's Pauldrons in there and all gems are either Stam or agi/stam. also added a stam gem to ring sry i missed that one. added +275 hp to chest

[Prentice]

Its a lot closer than it was but I still think you are making too many socket bonuses with the shifting dreadstones.

[Nitez]

Ew, people actually want the 4pc? I was under the impression that you wanted to get the T10 chest and gloves, pillars of might and the helm off deathwhisper. Pillars of Might are way too good to pass up.

My own gearing is a little off, I bought the shoulders with my first 60 frost badges and then they buffed the chest/gloves :[

[Ryme]

I've never tanked anything, but I gave it a go... I assume EH is still everything?

Like a noob I didn't gem anything because I have no idea.

http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=20938988

[Zelthan]

So the HP increase of 450 outweighs the armor and such we get from the agi? yes if i change everything to straight stam gems its only a 450 hp increase. I havent looked into the full extent of the numbers but the agi provides 100 more armor. so i guess your correct as far as hp/armor is concerned. Also the agi provides .95% dodge so what we are looking at is 450HP compared to .95% dodge and 100 armor.

[Ronark]

So the HP increase of 450 outweighs the armor and such we get from the agi? yes if i change everything to straight stam gems its only a 450 hp increase. I havent looked into the full extent of the numbers but the agi provides 100 more armor. so i guess your correct as far as hp/armor is concerned.

You aren't including Talents into your equation, which increase total Stamina by 8%. Then there is the stamina multiplier buff, which increases your total stamina again by 8/10%. Now add that to the fact that EH values are (still) king for Boss fights and survival, and that 100 or so armor isn't so appealing anymore.

[Zelthan]

So as far as gear we are almost there with the exception of one or two things but we will look at the numbers more for those. our only real issue now is gemming

we can go all stam gems with the exception of the one red or red equivilent in the head or we can use agi/stam gems in all red sockets.

Stam Gems Agi/Stam Gems
450 HP 100armor/.95% dodge

[Zelthan]

Thank you for that ur correct i wasnt but i changed the gems in the profiler and i thought it did all that for me. I based the numbers off of changes to stats and such on the profiler. im not sure that it factors in all that but i put a talent build in for that character as well so i think it might. can anyone confirm for sure.

[Ronark]

So as far as gear we are almost there with the exception of one or two things but we will look at the numbers more for those. our only real issue now is gemming

we can go all stam gems with the exception of the one red or red equivilent in the head or we can use agi/stam gems in all red sockets.

Stam Gems Agi/Stam Gems
450 HP 100armor/.95% dodge

Typically Paladin gemming is as follows:

Meta: Austene Earthsiege Diamond
Blue: Solid Madjestic Zircon
Yellow: Solid Madjestic Zircon
Red: One Shifting Dreadstone in a socket bonus that gives you the highest Stamina, Solid Madjestic Zircon in all others.

[Zelthan]

Typical doesnt always mean the best. Once i can either confirm or deny about the talents being put into the equation on the profiler i personally am at a crossroads because if it IS only a 450HP increase i would rather have a percent of doge and a little more armor. Then again if all we are in conflict about is 450hp compared to .95%dodge/100 armor then we are doing good as far as this being the BiS list.

This is from the help page "Your statistics are updated as you edit any part of a profile, including race, class, level, items, enhancements, or talents – all in real time! Statistic modifications from glyphs and buffs are not presently supported, but will be in the future." here is the link to the help page http://www.wowhead.com/?help=profiler#calculations