Weapon Choice Question

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So I was using http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50966
and managed to get my hands on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49992 last night

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...Drama+Students

Is my current gear setup , someone said nibelung would be better anyway but I have to replace http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45933 with the hit one you can see in the armory..

It's basically a loss of almost 200 haste going from 955 haste down to 778 , I don't think it's worth it but he suggested it was better and I'm slightly confused about it :P

Now before you ask me to rawr it please understand that I suck at rawr (if that's even possible) and I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks the proc from the val'kyr is worth 180 haste

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anyone :P ?

[assa]

as far as i know the valkyr proc isn't really worth it, so go with the haste.
what i also noticed on ur armory profile is that ur way overhitcapped to be arcane as alliance,
i suppose u have a dreanei & shadow priest or balance druid in ur raids ?
in that case u only need 7% hitrating that would be arround 201, dont remember the exact number so dont shoot me pls.

[Needonboots]

It's not exactly way over the cap. And he hasn't gemmed or trinketed hit, he's got good gear, that happens to have a bit more hit than he necessarily needs. Sometimes it can't be helped. And then those times (such sin 10 mans) that he probably doesn't always have a spriest or boomkin, he's not actually capped. Unless you have a 100% consistent 3% hit joining you, hovering between 7 and 11 is not really an issue.

Also, you told him not to swap weaons, when doing so would lose him a pile of that hit rating you think is so wasted.

As far as the weapons, Rawr tells me that Nibelung is better. I trust rawr, despite not being entirely certain as to WHY Nibelung is better.

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Yeah I swapped it in last night while doing totgc 10 , on the non gimmick fights in there was still about to hold 10k it actually doesn't seem like there's a difference between the 2 staves :P Will have to wait to see what it's like in icc25

Thanks,

[scism]

I've had the same dilemma come up now. Picked up Nibelung last night (putting me at the bottom of the EPGP priorty list meaning i aint getting any 25 man gear for a long, long time.....) but its meant i've dropped about 150 haste. I've a big selection of off peices (frost needle + baton ; maghari staff ; leggings of frozen death ; T10 gloves) but i think my current selection is the best i can get.

However its dropped my haste down to 700 which means i can only get 2 maybe 3 hasted ABs (with 2T10 bonus). Again, i'm not skilled enough with Rawr to work out if this is a dps loss.... I'm mainly doing 10 mans with a draneii so aim for 10% hit, and in 25s i'm not getting an Spriest, Boomkin, Lock or Unholy DK so missing 2 key buffs (yet still being 2nd-5th on dps.....).

Is it worth dropping nibeling + black magic for around +150 haste, -50SP (ie is the proc worth around 100SP?)

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well it was worth the 180 haste or so that I lost I did gain a solid amount of SP from it and the proc can be anywhere between 2-10% of my damage depending on the fight , but I haven't actually noticed a loss in my dps or anything like that ..

[sindrelauris]

So I was using http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50966
and managed to get my hands on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49992 last night

well, i know that nibelung works better for some classes than others. as a mage, though, i think it first boils down to the "which should i use, a mainhand/offhand combo or a staff" question. each has it's own upside. generally a main/off hand combo will get you more spell power, but a staff can bring more raw stats like stam/intel/spirt as well as crit/haste/hit.

the downside to nibelung is that it's not giving and crit, haste, or hit. losing those raw stats, even using abracadaver as an example, is taking a big hit. i'm not saying that you can't still have high stats, i just think they'd be a bit higher with a weapon that has the key stats that mages rely on.