Festergut Issues (Tank)

[Omgponies]

I was tanking Festergut last night, in 10man, with a Blood DK

I tanked first to 5 stacks, died, then the DK took over and tanked til 9, followed by me again to about 4 stacks

However, I seemed to tank 300k more damage than the DK, even thou the DK was tanking during the 3 inhales point.

I cannot figure out how I took roughly 60% more damage than this DK (500k taken vs 800k taken)

Here's my armory, I push all my buttons so Im really confused
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Thos&cn=Dainty

(This is the DKs armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...os&cn=Sconnell)

[Shoryu]

well i mean u push all ur buttons so i have no idea.

[Shelly]

The DK is probably using Anti-Magic Shell whenever possible, this negates a huge amount of the AoE damage you take during the raid prior to the 3rd inhale. It also lets the DK pretty much skip getting the spore entirely.

[klogaroth]

Were there any occasions where he got spored and you didn't?

Also damage taken is hard to judge, do you have any data on damage taken per second?

[42PETUNIAS]

Not really sure what you expect the damage taken to mean, you were presumably tanking for different amounts of time / with different stacks on him. Either way, you're both easily geared for 10 man, were you properly rotating cd's for 3 stacks? Were the healers screwing up? Looking at the death log on recount would tell you a lot more than anything we can do.

[klogaroth]

Having look into it further your gear is very avoidance based. The DKs gear is very armor based, and in frost presence he will have considerably more armor than you.

It's possible that this had an influence on things.

[hawtlol]

Have you even checked his armory?

On topic: Afaik your gear is a tad low for Festergut. And what Shelly said.

Did you use Shield Wall at any point?

His gear is fine for festergut 10m

[Stieger23]

Having look into it further your gear is very avoidance based. The DKs gear is very armor based, and in frost presence he will have considerably more armor than you.

It's possible that this had an influence on things.

This is exactly right.

He's rocking right around 40,000 armor in frost presence and you're rocking not-quite 30k. I mean, he has 33% more armor than you, it sort of makes sense that he'd take 37% less damage.

[Shoryu]

This is exactly right.

He's rocking right around 40,000 armor in frost presence and you're rocking not-quite 30k. I mean, he has 33% more armor than you, it sort of makes sense that he'd take 37% less damage.

hahaha except for the fact that the difference is about 7% physical dmg reduction between 40k and 30k. it probably had something to do with the u know, dying then coming back unbuffed and lack of appropriately used defensive CDs

[tet]

ok, I'm sure you know how the fight works but here's a refresher:

1) If you're tanking him at 2x stacks, get ready to pop cds when he inhales and gains a third stack YOU HAVE TO DO THIS OR YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE. Do not pop CDs at any other time especially if you don't have unglyphed and talented Last Stand and Shield Wall. Do not pop them at the same time like the last user said (who clearly needs to buy a new char on ebay like he so eloquently put it), wait until Shield Wall is about to fade then you use Last Stand. After Last Stand ask for an additional cd from a priest (wings or Pain Sup) or Divine Sac from a pally.

2) You do not need spores to survive Pungent Blight. The stacks you gain offer protection for it, so don't bother with them. In other words if you are tanking Festergut from the start you do not need the spore debuff, but if you aren't then you might need it.

3) If you are dying on 2 stacks on the boss or less, it is not your fault. It's your healer's fault. Either they are getting vomited on repeatedly or they aren't doing their job.

4) Always always always have Thunderclap and Demo Shout on the boss. Always.

Your gear looks fine to tank this. I would blame the healers, you cannot use CDs to cover for their mistakes or carry them, the CDs have to be held back for 3x stacks. Furthermore, if you died at 5x stacks on you then you didn't even get past 2x stacks on boss, therefore IT HAS TO BE a healing problem.

[Avido]

I've noticed that it's a big thing on healers just bein on the ball with their heals.

If you've a shammy in the raid, pop bloodlust@ 3 stacks.. usually that should fix it right there.

Our first few attempts on fester were bad.. healers not knowing when to spam big heals, but once they get used to the dmg output of said-boss, it's a cake-walk.


-EDIT-
And just noticed what the ^^ poster said.

Very true.

[tet]

Yea it is a healing intensive fight, it starts out with massive raid heals and occational tank healing and then it starts to become a tank healout fight by the 2nd and 3rd Boss stacks, with minimal raid heals at 2nd boss stack and without any raid heals at 3rd Boss stack. But the thing is that he didn't even get to 3rd Boss stack... so maybe the healers didn't know what was going on.

[Shelly]

Yea it is a healing intensive fight, it starts out with massive raid heals and occational tank healing and then it starts to become a tank healout fight by the 2nd and 3rd Boss stacks, with minimal raid heals at 2nd boss stack and without any raid heals at 3rd Boss stack. But the thing is that he didn't even get to 3rd Boss stack... so maybe the healers didn't know what was going on.

I'm presuming this has happened several times, that or after he bounced back they were able to kill Fester.

It's just that since the healers were able to keep the DK up for so long I'm not so inclined as to believe it to be totally a healer problem. Note that I'm not saying it's NOT a healer problem, I just think there's fail enough to go around.

[Eldar45]

Your healers are probably just forgetting to heal you while they spam heal the raid during the gas phase.

I tend to shield block right as I run in, that slightly helps with the damage I take, and helps with threat generation from huge shield slam crits . The boss does very little tank damage during the time when the gas is on the ground. This is the best time to shield block to help with healing.

[tet]

I'm presuming this has happened several times, that or after he bounced back they were able to kill Fester.

It's just that since the healers were able to keep the DK up for so long I'm not so inclined as to believe it to be totally a healer problem. Note that I'm not saying it's NOT a healer problem, I just think there's fail enough to go around.

You have to consider the fact that he said he tanked until he had 5 stacks, that means that the boss was well on his way to gaining a 2nd stack and thus minimizing raid healing and giving all focus to the tank, which is why they probably kept the DK up for that long.

[bw13187]

Most likely they didnt have a pally/shaman healer standing in melee range to avoid being puked on, so when it happened, loss of tank heals = death.

[Nawramsti]

When we were doing this as a progress run on 10m our tanks never died, they had considerably low gear back then.
Also your gear is fine for Fest 10, it might be a problem on your healers.

[Deleted]

your gear is fine
tell healers to stop slackin

[Bullhammer]

Most likely they didnt have a pally/shaman healer standing in melee range to avoid being puked on, so when it happened, loss of tank heals = death.

i am suspecting this also if all healers outside for gas cloud and moving = you die.

[Propain]

Have you even checked his armory?

On topic: Afaik your gear is a tad low for Festergut. And what Shelly said.

Did you use Shield Wall at any point?

Are you serious? His gear is fine for 10-man Festergut...I've got less gear then him and tanked it easily this week.