Tanks who Insist to Lead their Heroic Groups

[ProteinOrcWarrior]

Yes tanks are good at leading groups through 5 man dungeons. They are also suited for pulling.

However some abilities such as Tricks of the Trade and Misdirection were created for a reason. And I often find tanks will flip out just for pulling mobs to them with one of said abilities.

If you are going to spend the time typing "let me pull, I am the tank!" maybe you can just pull the mobs before the rogue or hunter get a chance to pull them.

If the healer is not complaining about the pulls, hurry up and pull.


SKILLED TANKS ENJOY THE MISDIRECTS AND TRICKS. I find it humorous how many people say "I find this annoying when I tank" These are usually the tanks that click their skills.


Anyone else experience similar issues while playing hunter or rogue?

[Alienganja]

You're pulling without the tank being ready?
.....you do know that you're the one person everyone hates in heroics, because no one wants to heal your dps ass when you pull aggro because the tank wasn't paying attention or getting more juice for his sippy cup. As a healer it pisses me off when dps thinks they know more about the pulls than the tank, because the tank should be aware of all mobs at all moments in time.

I'm sick of DPS who insist on speeding up shit that doesn't need to be sped up.

[Raptorg]

Let him pull.
If a pat is coming, go ahead and direct them to him, chances are he's anticipating they'll engage him, your misdirect or tricks will make the pull smoother. However, make sure the pat will effectively move into aggro range if not directed!
If you're a rogue, show your tank your skill and Distract the pat so they don't aggro, rogues never do this, but I can assure you, your tank will be delightfully surprised.

However don't go around pulling for us, or pulling groups that don't matter at that time, that'll just piss us off.

[AnotherPaladin]

Let the tank pull....please.

[Sephyxia]

The tank makes certain everyone doesn't get aggro, if you want to pull without him that means you're the tank.

The tanks main job:
Get aggro
Hold aggro
Live

If you Get aggro that means you're trying to get in on a tanks job. If you want to try to get aggro then it's your job to try to Live as well.

[mightimace]

As long as your not pulling mobs that we don't need to kill I'll be happy. It pisses me off when I get a group of mobs and a dps goes out and tries to grab mobs that we don't even need to kill.

[coolaide2]

tbh I dont mind you MDing or tricksing things to me but bad tanks will complain that you're making them feel less manly.

[ProteinOrcWarrior]

The tank makes certain everyone doesn't get aggro, if you want to pull without him that means you're the tank.

The tanks main job:
Get aggro
Hold aggro
Live

If you Get aggro that means you're trying to get in on a tanks job. If you want to try to get aggro then it's your job to try to Live as well.

How would I get aggro if I am using an ability that gives the tank aggro? Considering I have the tricks of the trade glyph I can often toss out 6 fan of knives before it wears off. Thus means, A LOT of aggro for the tank.

[tanked]

OP: I see what you are trying to say. But only do it if the tank says so. We dont need you "helping" us by aggro'ing stuff to us. We are capable of setting the pace, and good tanks can anticipate pats coming.

So please, if you are in that much of a rush, ask / say something NICELY. Dont just start pulling shit.

kthxbye

[Alienganja]

tbh I dont mind you MDing or tricksing things to me but bad tanks will complain that you're making them feel less manly.

Think about it from a "new" healers perspective. He's mana-ing up in between pulls..the tank is 5k below topped and the hunter goes in to MD a new pat towards him.

More than 3/4's of the time no one pays attention to ANYONE's mana in the random heroics I do, I usually cut the new guys some slack and ask for mana if anyone does really need it. You'd be surprised by how much someones dps improves (overall) when they have full mana .

But again, I would advise to you just keeping to yourself and dpsing when everyones ready. Including the tank.

[Rixis]

often times i like the dps pulling extra groups for me if we're going to be killing those groups, i keep my eyes open to take the aggro, on occasion you get the cocky dps that thinks they're a tank, but no, generally speaking i do agree with the OP as long as the tank is not useless and is ready


hell in heroics my pet healer used to run off and pull mobs for me because he was getting bored


i think the problem is most people speak generally wheras if you look at many different situations pulling for the tank is acceptable

[gushDH]

They are "Tanks". They have a reason to be called like that. I am a tank and really hate when dps pulls random mobs, specialy when I am not ready or when they can be skipped.

[Sephyxia]

How would I get aggro if I am using an ability that gives the tank aggro? Considering I have the tricks of the trade glyph I can often toss out 6 fan of knives before it wears off. Thus means, A LOT of aggro for the tank.

If the tank is okay with that then it's all good, but if he's not then you'd better stop.

I pull fast for a Tank since I'm pretty geared so I never had that kind of problem. More so, the Dps and Healers complain that they can't even loot lol.

[Shinshiva]

Yes tanks are good at leading groups through 5 man dungeons. They are also suited for pulling.

However some abilities such as Tricks of the Trade and Misdirection were created for a reason. And I often find tanks will flip out just for pulling mobs to them with one of said abilities.

If you are going to spend the time typing "let me pull, I am the tank!" maybe you can just pull the mobs before the rogue or hunter get a chance to pull them.

If the healer is not complaining about the pulls, hurry up and pull.



Anyone else experience similar issues while playing hunter or rogue?

DON'T EVER PULL IF I AM NOT MOVING. THERE IS A REASON FOR IT. I can tell you're the kind of guy that has sex and 30 seconds later rolls over thinking you've done your job.
I hate you. You're the DPS that everyone else hates too. Please PM me your name and server so i can just put you on ignore instead of dealing with you and your stupid sense of entitlement.
/endrant

Pro-tip: Wait till the tank has pulled, then hit your MD ability. That's what it is for. Back in FFXIOL "hunters" (rangers) pulled because that was how it works in that game, they have the same basic ability and people use it. In WoW, the ability is used to ENHANCE the tanks threat, not for you to be a dickhead and run around pulling shit for no reason except to express your teeny tiny epeen.

[Durandro]

Ask at the start when people say hi. If he says nothing, don't do it.

[Rixis]

More so, the Dps and Healers complain that they can't even loot lol.

haha yeah i tend to skip, or combat loot and not give people chance

[HolyPrincess]

As a tank it used to depend on the instance now its just if im not ready you might die and i wont rez you (im a pally) but 9/10 the rogues in the randoms dont do fan and your MD ability they just go running off i have even had mages do it ... they die. I try not to be a slow puller but lets face it some of us out gear those places and we do it because we are bored thats when i dont mind not pulling... pull with me on my DK ill be pissed cause her gear blows ;D

[Sephyxia]

haha yeah i tend to skip, or combat loot and not give people chance

Lol, though, I'm able to loot everything I pass, I don't know why they're so slow about it :P I hate sluggish heroics.

[endercpl]

tbh I dont mind you MDing or tricksing things to me but bad tanks will complain that you're making them feel less manly.

THIS x1000000000000.
I was tanking earlier today with a 6k gs hunter vs my 4400 gs tank, and he pretty much did all the threatin with md. Good tanks dont give a fuck, makes the job easier.

[The Madgod]

unless the tank tells you its okay, NEVER pull for us. Most of us find it annoying, and some of those may want to get back at you for it, like say "forgetting" to press that taunt button when a big elite is rumbling towards you.

dont badmouth a tank who's job YOU are effectively replacing, its YOU who is to be badmouthed