Holy Pally Chest Enchant

[Caean]

this is another how many angels fit on the head of a pin argument.

As long as you're not *consistently* making the wrong gear choices such that they add up to be a big problem, this enchant is really not an issue.

Is it good to know what's preferable? Sure, but unless your overall choices are adding up to a pretty big poor choice, it really doesn't matter.

[Bob002]

I still believe one of these three options is right and the other two are wrong. It will be circumstantially dependent though. I'm just thinking that the circumstances favoring 10 MP5 will occur more often than 10 Stats and those favoring 250 Mana will almost never occur at all.

I think the bolded is the best point in the whole thread. There are going to be times when 10 stats are better and others when 10 mp5 is going to be better; a lot of it just has to revolve around your current level of gear/stat allocation.

[Firecrest]

You guys are OCDing over very, very small numbers unlikely to have even the slightest impact on any combat situation. His analysis at the top is probably as far as you should go. (Though worrying about gold is rather sad)

Who said I was worried about gold? I had a sidegrade (or rather a very very minor upgrade). And I was wondering if it would be worth it to regem and enchant. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable course to take at all.

And who’s obsessing? I like to think about these kinds of things. Nitpicking the hell out of my gear and performance is a major reason why I’m so progressed. All the small things add up. And I want them to add up in my favor. I’m also not the kind of person who just likes to take the word of others or do things “because that’s how it is”. Chest enchant was one of those things that I had just taken as a matter of course. Things have changed since EJ declared it the best way to go. It deserved looking into and when I did, I found a better option.

The only type of players I know of that don’t worry about gold or their gear are the gold farmers. You a chinabot?

Also dang, plague scientists boots. Your cloth casters must be unreal stupid to let you pick those up.

Best in slot is best in slot. Fortunately I don't run with a bunch of muckheads that don't understand that concept. You must group with a lot of PUGs, eh? I’m sorry you’re not able to be a part of a solid guild.

[Caean]

Try gemming with all spirit and then run your normal progression run.

If you beat the content, you have to buy us all ice cream.

My point? Doing things "the right way" matters a whole lot more for appearances and reputation than it does for success.

We care about these little details (like what's better +10 all stats + 20 int gem vs +10 int/+5 mp5 and +12 sp +10 int) because there are many aspects of the game which are out of our direct control that we overvalue the places where we can exert control.

Gameplay skills, reaction time, good triage, good gear, a good UI, a solid computer and connection, good teammates -- that's what's going to matter.

[Asrialol]

Best in slot is best in slot. Fortunately I don't run with a bunch of muckheads that don't understand that concept. You must group with a lot of PUGs, eh? I’m sorry you’re not able to be a part of a solid guild.

That's really low.

Really don't get all people who are so seriously uptight about gear. You need to realise that the game isn't about the gear. Well, maybe it is for you. And, please. Don't come say it isn't. It's rather obvious.

Nitpicking the hell out of my gear and performance is a major reason why I’m so progressed.

Congratulations. It's all about you. Your guild is just a small piece of the puzzle, the bigger picture; is you.

I guess behind that thick shell of a wise-guy, there's just another person whos obsession is gear.

[Ryme]

Another Firecrest thread turned to flames I feel complete.

[Skulldancer]

That's really low.

Really don't get all people who are so seriously uptight about gear. You need to realise that the game isn't about the gear. Well, maybe it is for you. And, please. Don't come say it isn't. It's rather obvious.

Congratulations. It's all about you. Your guild is just a small piece of the puzzle, the bigger picture; is you.

I guess behind that thick shell of a wise-guy, there's just another person whos obsession is gear.

hmmmm "grabs pop corn"

[bushrat]

Hopefuly that extra 282 mana will help you guys down Sindra and PP already... :P

But yeah 3.78MP5 isnt really going to change anything, on the other hand 100HP isnt worth much with the 10% hp buff.

Same could be said for SP on weap/bracer, we have 10% free output already -.- why not get extra regen? you will need it for LK.

[Biteyou]

That's really low.

Really don't get all people who are so seriously uptight about gear. You need to realise that the game isn't about the gear. Well, maybe it is for you. And, please. Don't come say it isn't. It's rather obvious.

Congratulations. It's all about you. Your guild is just a small piece of the puzzle, the bigger picture; is you.

I guess behind that thick shell of a wise-guy, there's just another person whos obsession is gear.

DPS don't need more gear than what they have already, especially with a 10% buff, at least in priority of the healers and tanks, if your guild plans on going further than doing shit like Gunship and the easy hard modes.

What am I getting at? Your healers and tanks carry you, to say the least(Healers OOM = Wipe, Tanks dead = Wipe, Not enough DPS = Do some fucking research). If they don't have the gear they need to do the actual hard hardmodes, by the way I mean Lich King Heroic, then you're going to FAIL. By the way, the first Plagued Scientist boots that ever dropped went to Diamondtear, and guess what class he is? A Holy Pally.

By the way, you opened the can of worms about gear, not Fire. Any personal issues that I don't care about you wanna mention?

[kungfumonkey]

hmmmm "grabs pop corn"

/pulls up chair alongside.. i've brought the beers.

[Firecrest]

DPS don't need more gear than what they have already, especially with a 10% buff, at least in priority of the healers and tanks, if your guild plans on going further than doing shit like Gunship and the easy hard modes.

What am I getting at? Your healers and tanks carry you, to say the least(Healers OOM = Wipe, Tanks dead = Wipe, Not enough DPS = Do some fucking research). If they don't have the gear they need to do the actual hard hardmodes, by the way I mean Lich King Heroic, then you're going to FAIL. By the way, the first Plagued Scientist boots that ever dropped went to Diamondtear, and guess what class he is? A Holy Pally.

By the way, you opened the can of worms about gear, not Fire. Any personal issues that I don't care about you wanna mention?

Meh. I don’t think any one role is always more important than any other. There are definitely bosses like Marrowgar or Algalon where good healers will make or break the fight while DPS and tanks have fairly easy jobs. But there are just as many fights like Blood Queen and Patchwerk where the whole kill rests on the backs of your DPS. And the best fights of all are the ones like LK and HM Mimron where DPS, Tanks and Healers have to each be on top of their game. Saying that any one role takes prio over another is very wrong and will do your raid a great disservice.

In my guild, if an item is BiS, all specs, classes and roles have equal right to it – regardless of armor class. This only makes sense. We also all keep in mind the good of the raid and we leave it up to the members to work things out amongst themselves. For example, our Holy Pallies passed on the Mail BiS bracers so our Shammies could get them since there is a Plate version that is identical. And our members will often pass on items they know are larger upgrades for others.

In the case of the boots, a whole slew of DPS and Healers wanted the item. I had top DKP, there was no reason why it should be passed down to someone lower, so I took them. End of story. No whining, no loot whoring, no drama. All was as it should be.

/pulls up chair alongside.. i've brought the beers.

Meh. Sorry guys, but I don't really feel like taking the trollbait on that one.

I brought nachos though. Who wants?

[Biteyou]

Meh. I don’t think any one role is always more important than any other. There are definitely bosses like Marrowgar or Algalon where good healers will make or break the fight while DPS and tanks have fairly easy jobs. But there are just as many fights like Blood Queen and Patchwerk where the whole kill rests on the backs of your DPS. And the best fights of all are the ones like LK and HM Mimron where DPS, Tanks and Healers have to each be on top of their game. Saying that any one role takes prio over another is very wrong and will do your raid a great disservice.

In my guild, if an item is BiS, all specs, classes and roles have equal right to it – regardless of armor class. This only makes sense. We also all keep in mind the good of the raid and we leave it up to the members to work things out amongst themselves. For example, our Holy Pallies passed on the Mail BiS bracers so our Shammies could get them since there is a Plate version that is identical. And our members will often pass on items they know are larger upgrades for others.

In the case of the boots, a whole slew of DPS and Healers wanted the item. I had top DKP, there was no reason why it should be passed down to someone lower, so I took them. End of story. No whining, no loot whoring, no drama. All was as it should be.

Meh. Sorry guys, but I don't really feel like taking the trollbait on that one.

I brought nachos though. Who wants?

I did miss that part in my post then.

But ya. Assuming you took the chest because of the haste? Offtopic of the enchant, but eh.

[kungfumonkey]

Meh. Sorry guys, but I don't really feel like taking the trollbait on that one.

I brought nachos though. Who wants?

God Damnit

Your supposed to have come back with a witty remark and forum war would have begun but instead...... errmm did you say nachos..

[FiveDkp]

You can't say i want to be a good holy paladin
Then say no to min/maxing
Makes little sense.

Tbh, i use the 10 stats enchant for the extra survival and what not, my regen is fine

[Firecrest]

But ya. Assuming you took the chest because of the haste? Offtopic of the enchant, but eh.

The Chest I'm wearing now I took because of the MP5. The piece I replaced was the 264 version of our BiS (that Plate Haste/Crit one - too lazy to link right now). Basically I switched out a NM 25-man 264 Haste/Crit for a HM 10-man 264 Haste/MP5.

[tjanson]

I think some of you don't understand that heroic Plague Scientist boots are BiS for pretty much every single spellcaster in the game. Shamans, Paladins, even DPS druids want them. There aren't alternatives that are even close to as good - so expect to see a lot of non-cloth wearers with them.

You know, I didn't even realize that there was a 10 mp5 enchant to chest. /facepalm

The numbers look pretty good for mp5, but obviously the increased mana from Seal of Wisdom swings give 10 stats the edge.

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