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    So apparent Grom gets a free pass cuz the Draenei are "above" fighting



    Thoughts?

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    It makes sense. Why would you drive each other to extinction when you can have peace...? We didn't slaughter the Germans did we?

    The end game of war is a peace treaty, not an annihilation.

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    Exactly what armies does Grom still command that we couldn't wipe out? We should have just killed him.

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    The BlizzardWatch Podcast summed up the whole Grom mess up well. Starts at about 46:10.

    Blizzard basically tried to say "Look, Grom's a good guy after all" without giving us any reason to believe he isn't just a prideful asshole that wants to conquer Draenor. The players called them on it, and now they're trying to find a justification for not clapping Grom in chains or just killing him on the spot.
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    its a bit iffy, but thereasons are sound to me:

    - he was manipulated by Garroshs manipulation of Azeroth vision
    - he did help against the Fel Horde/Guldan/Legion
    - they want peace and if they (try) execute him now they wont get any
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    inc Grom Hellscream, Warchief of the Horde, once again teaming up with Thrall.

    Metzen's only reason for fucking up the entire timeline and this expansion becomes clear. He's basically a new attempt at what Garrosh should have been.

    So bad.

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    It does make sense. But, at this point, you're better off letting it go and dealing with it than having pointless discussions that will lead no where. It's their story, they'll deal with it the way they want to.

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    Their reasoning makes sense, if it was shown in game better would have been nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Ataris View Post
    inc Grom Hellscream, Warchief of the Horde, once again teaming up with Thrall.

    Metzen's only reason for fucking up the entire timeline and this expansion becomes clear. He's basically a new attempt at what Garrosh should have been.

    So bad.
    I'm okay with this.

    I mean...let's be honest at this point the story is being written on a cyclone...so why not Grom2016?

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    I was pretty much under the assumption that the expansion was largely about the epic battle going on in Draenor between the Orcs and Draeni, so seeing the "hey let's just be friends" ending is a bit weird. Don't think it makes much sense either.

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    I for one was looking forward to the much anticipated sequel "Warcrimes 2: Gromtastic Boogaloo". Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoncurry View Post
    It makes sense. Why would you drive each other to extinction when you can have peace...? We didn't slaughter the Germans did we?

    The end game of war is a peace treaty, not an annihilation.
    Well we didn't exactly hug it out with Adolf either....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionor View Post
    Well we didn't exactly hug it out with Adolf either....
    Nor did we really hug it out with the Communists for a good 40 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionor View Post
    Well we didn't exactly hug it out with Adolf either....
    Maybe if Adolf didn't eat his level 2 pill we might've.

    Also, godwin's law at work folks.

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    It's so goddamn silly that they trot out this ridiculous justification for there being peace, but stick to their guns on the Horde/Alliance nonsense.

    Like, I'm fine with either theme, but you have to be fucking consistent here.

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    The biggest problem with Grom being "at peace with us" is that he was personally, not at a table in some command center but there in person and giving orders within a 100 yards of us, responsible for the deaths of civilians. Like Yrel's sister who was on a table being sacrificed for a dead naaru's power. By Grom's order.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoncurry View Post
    It makes sense. Why would you drive each other to extinction when you can have peace...? We didn't slaughter the Germans did we?
    We didn't stand next to Hitler and tell him we'll rebuilt Europe with him, either.
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    Also, godwin's law at work folks.
    You don't understand what "Godwin's Law" even is, apparently. If the first person takes us to Germany in the early 1900s then Godwins is not invoked by the next person mentioning Hitler.
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    No, he should not get a free pass. Draenei are forgiving, but they are not retarded pushovers.

    there's a difference between learning to live with those you don't like (tolerating) and cheer hand in hand in a celebration.

    what bugs me is that there's NO HINT of any grudge between Grom, Yrel and Durotan. it's like they've been buddies all along, this is BULLSHIT. the entire expansion has been about Grom fucking shit up for EVERYBODY. Yrel's sister died because Grom wanted Ner'zhul to provide them with something "useful" or have their entire clan killed.

    isn't that atrocity? the fact that Grom came to shadowmoon valley and ACTUALLY SAW the shit Ner'zhul was doing with sacrificed Draenei civilians and then nodded in approval. is that not atrocity? he sunk into some pretty low standards, and to give him a ticket out by saying "well he saw what the legion in hellfire citadel" is a bullshit excuse by Blizzard dev team.

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    I'm fed up of the Alliance/Alliance races being "above" revenge. It seems to be the only way they are able to write that side. Thrall gets to kill Garrosh, right under our noses... Yrel doesn't get justice for her lover, her family, or her people. It's pretty poor IMO. Grom is far from a mighty conqueror such that anybody "needs" to truce with him; he has basically no followers left once the story gets to that point, killing him would be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustRob View Post


    Thoughts?
    The draenei are a space traveling advanced culture with huge ties to the Light, a religion that more or less bestows good virtues on most of it's followers. These orcs however are merely savages pushed into an early iron age. They haven't had great civilizations before this era, no history to teach them the value of keeping the peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoncurry View Post
    It makes sense. Why would you drive each other to extinction when you can have peace...? We didn't slaughter the Germans did we?

    The end game of war is a peace treaty, not an annihilation.
    Yes. We did execute Nazi leaders through the Nuremberg trials. A better real world parallel might be how Napoleon was kid-gloved into exile on Elba in 1814. The Battle of Waterloo was in 1815.

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