Fingers of Frost - lost procs - intended?

[Zireael]

I did post this on official EU mage forum, didn't get answer, so copy/paste

When playing my Frost mage, i noticed, i am loosing FoF procs. I will try explain

I cast Frostbolt and gain FoF proc (2)
I cast Frostbolt and one is substracted from FoF buff (1)
I cast FrostBolt > I get new FoF (2) > FoF fades from me > I loose (2) spells which should be under FoF effect

Log would look like:

Orisha begins casting Frostbolt.
Target is afflicted by Orisha's Frostbolt.
Orisha's Frostbolt hits Target for XXX Frost.
Orisha gains Orisha's Fingers of Frost.
Orisha's Fingers of Frost is regreshed on Orisha.
Orisha's Fingers of Frost is regreshed on Orisha.

Orisha beings casting Frostbolt. //1st buffed Frostbolt
Orisha's Frostbolt is refresed on Target.
Orisha's Frostbolt hits Target For XXX Frost.
Orisha's Fingers of Frost (1) diminishes.

Orisha begins casting Frostbolt. //2nd buffed Frostbolt triggers FoF
Orisha gains Orisha's Fingers of Frost (2).
Orisha's Fingers of Frost is regreshed on Orisha.
Orisha's Fingers of Frost is regreshed on Orisha.
Orisha's Fingers of Frost fades from Orisha. // HEY!
Orisha'S Frostbolt is refresed on Target.
Orisha's Frostbolt hits Target for XXX Frost.


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I am still 66 lvl mage, a lot to learn, but i am troubled over this.
So please, bug or intention?

P.S. I DO care, even if frost isn't 'viable' raid spec, little bit dmg here and there lost becouse of bug... :/ (i am odd, i like frost)

[Deleted]

Not sure, but I don't think FoF is refreshed to 2 stacks if you get a new proc with 1 stack up.

[Swizzle]

3 out of your 4 frostbolts are getting the buff, combat logs simply display the fading buff before it hits due to travel time, but the spell gains the buff when it leaves your hands. probably a bit of server lag factoring in, or you are forgetting exactly when FoF procs.

[Zireael]

Abb: I for sure dont remember getting stack refreshed, yes.
Swizzle: Aren't you talking about 3rd 'hidden' spell you can get under effect of FoF, but which still belongs to first FoF proc? (Used for instants DF/BF/IL)? Otherwise i dont understand.

Thanks for answers so far.

Edit: As far as i can tell, you get proc in the moment you finish casting spell. And you lost it in the same moment, when you finish casting spell. But first come GET then comes CLEAR. Thats what i am trying to say.

[Skarrd]

I still don't understand the exact situation.

You cast a spell, you get FoF#1. You cast frostbolt, it crits from FoF#1, it procs FoF#2, you cast Frostbolt, FoF#2 falls off?

Is that what you're saying?

[Zireael]

I will try use more words, excuse my english please

You cast FB and when you finish cast you get FoF. Now you have buff with 2.
After that, you cast FB and thats ok, nothing happend. Shatter bonus and all works.
Now you cast second FB and it as well get all bonuses it should. BUT this second spell proc another FoF.
So i would expect to loose old buff and gain new with 2.
But what happen is that your new buff is lost in instant. My addons yells FOF!! but my log already says you lost it, srry.

[Swizzle]

could be a miscommunication between your add-on and the combat log. make sure you have the newest version of w/e mod you are using since blizzard likes to change the combat log nearly every patch. may i suggest power auras classic?

[Zireael]

I am going to try Power Auras once i reach 80, thank you for recommendation.
But if i can point to my first posts log, i am afraid this isn't my addons fail (Mike's Scrolling Battle Text for record) on other side, if no one else noticed, i would be odd if it won't be my problem i guess :/

Swizzle if i can ask, wasn't there in near past change which moved some frost proc from spell landing to spell cast for fromst mage? I will try to find it and post it here, maybe not much ppl noticed because this?

[Swizzle]

frostbite procs when your spell connects with the target, FoF procs when the spell leaves your hands.

[Zireael]

I don't have much more to say here.
Thank you for answers. I will try fight it bit longer on my own, maybe i will notice something what i missed so many times by now.

[Kalokagathos]

Im not sure that i understand you, but from what ive read, your problem is that when you get a new stack of FoF (refreshing) the time doesn't reset and the buff gets removed ( cause the time is out)
I might be totally off

best regards
me

[Chimpzilla]

I've been noticing the same issue myself while PvPing on my mage. Now keep in mind I rarely play my mage but I only noticed this recently. Essentially what happens is I get a FoF proc, I load up a frostbolt and eat my first charge, and start winding up a second frostbolt when I notice a brain freeze proc. So I say to myself I'll shoot a frostfire bolt right after the frostbolt to piggy back on the one charge of FoF. Then I've been noticing as the first frost bolt goes off proccing FoF, and as my frostfire bolt gets sent the 2 charges of my new FoF are gone. I'd be ok if it was using one charge for the freebie frostfire bolt, but it seems to be using two charges the second it procs. I'd say it was a problem with an addon, but I can see the buff procing.

[Swizzle]

well, if it is doing what you are saying, then it may be worth looking into. i'll ask around on illidan to see if any PvP mages have been noticing this. i'll try to replicate the bug/problem myself. maybe someone could ask lhivera? that fucker knows frost shit a tad bit more up-to-date than i do.

[ulubproness]

ive been pve'ing as frost lately just because i liek the way it plays and i have no problem keeping up with dps ... but more OT i have noticed the same thing in both directions when i cast FB it will trigger FoF i can cast 1 more but seems ot consume 2 this is because FoF is triggered once you finish ur cast where as it is only consumed when it hits a target so it can be consumed on the same FB that had triggered it possibly from lag or what idk i have also noticed that i trigger a FoF when i still have 1 charge up on my previous proc this makes me sad in pants =[

[Zireael]

Thank you sooo much Chimpzilla, maybe now i will not look like lonely fool

Kalokagathos, i am sure that will not be it, because of Proc+2 FB takes under 6 sec, and buff duration is 15 sc. Anyway thanks for brainstorming about theme

[Kalokagathos]

Thank you sooo much Chimpzilla, maybe now i will not look like lonely fool

Kalokagathos, i am sure that will not be it, because of Proc+2 FB takes under 6 sec, and buff duration is 15 sc. Anyway thanks for brainstorming about theme

Dude, my knowledge about frost is only as far as I know the spell ice veins but anyway I hope you guys solve your issues

[Swizzle]

funnily enough, the spell is called ICY veins.

[Kalokagathos]

funnily enough, the spell is called ICY veins.

Nothing but proves my point of being ignorant

[Chimpzilla]

Thank you sooo much Chimpzilla, maybe now i will not look like lonely fool

Haha. No problem. Maybe if I'm bored a little later I'll try and get a video of it. I gotta run out of the house in a few minutes otherwise I'd give it a shot now.

[Swizzle]

i'll try to replicate this. if i'm not able to, i'd just chock it up to bad luck.