Resto druids needs a new heal for cataclysm

[ELEDIN]

SHAMANS DRUIDS PRIESTS
ONE TARGET HEALS ONE TARGET HEALS ONE TARGET HEALS or ABILITIES
1) Lesser healing wave 1) Nourish 1) Flash heal
2) Healing wave 2) Regrowth 2) Heal
3) Greater healing wave 3) Haling touch 3) Greater heal
4) Riptide 4) Rejuvanation 4) Renew
5) Earth shield 5) lifebloom 5) PWS
6) Unleash weapon 6) Swiftmend 6) (DISIPLINE - Peanance)
7) leap of faith
AOE HEALS or ABILITIES AOE HEALS or ABILITIES AOE HEALS or ABILITIES
7) Chain heal 7) Wild growth 8) Prayer of Healing
8) Healing rain 9) Prayer of Mending
9) Healing totem 11) Binding Heal
10) Spirit link 12) Holy nova
13) Circle of healing (holy)
COOLDOWNS COOLDOWNS 14) Lightwell (holy)
11) Nature swiftness 8) Nature swiftness
12) Tidal force 9) Tranquility COOLDOWNS
10) Tree of life 15) Divine hymn
EXTRAS HOLY DISIPLINE
13) Earthling weapon hot 16) Guardian spirit 16) Power word Barier
17) Desparate prayer 17)Power infusion
18) Pain supresion


Among shammys and priest we have less healing abilities and druid spells have no animation at all
Also its a new expansion and we need to take something new for our healers we need in every new game something new to play even if they change our "rotation" its the same spells. We didnt cast maybe too much rejuvanation wild growth we will cast regrowth wild growth (maybe) druids will be again bored with this
Also we need another aoe ability not an old spell that when crit do something aoe and i think to play the game to have some fun not to see numbers with a better rotation. They should add new animation on our curent spells just for our signatureand some fun not jsu numbers

[Iracor]

Because god only knows how much I -totally- need another spell to have to find a keybind for -.-

[Relinor]

I am not too bothered about our lack of healing spells. I think we have one for each type of situation out there.

But I am concerned about utility. Currently we bring a unique Battle Res on a short 10min CD, besides this the only reason to bring a Druid over another healing class is the very large healing output we have. In Cataclysm Blizzard intend to curb the amount of spam and volume healing to be done, and they want to encourage more thoughtful spot healing - whilst I am happy about this change, it will take away our main strength of huge blanketing of an entire raid, without which, there is no great reason to bring a Resto Druid.

All the other healing classes have absorb mechanics, cooldowns, and in the case of Shaman/Paladin, extremely powerful and adaptable buffs. Our Cataclysm Battle Res cooldown is returning to 30mins, reducing our utility further.

I very much hope we either retain a higher pure healing output than the other healers, or we are given a trick or two.

[Grunthunter]

Why aren't pallys up there?

[ELEDIN]

tomorow pallys i dont know their new heals or abilities

[ghtybv]

lets put pallys in there with all 3 of their heals.

[mynameisjona]

Why aren't pallys up there?

Because the three classes up there have already gotten their previews and paladins are most likely getting another healing spell in Cataclysm.

@Relinor: To true, to true.

[Azutael]

We really, really do not need any more healing spells.
I mean what more could we possibly want? we have heals for every situation allready. And, we acctually use most of them aswell. Thats not something you really can say with the other healer calsses.

If there is any class that should get more heals, it is the paladin. And I bet they will get some kind of aoe heal.


Oh and you forgot:

Restoration druids will have a new talent called Efflorescence, which causes a bed of healing flora to sprout beneath targets that are critically healed by Regrowth.

Perhaps its crap, maybe its awesome. Who knows, I still think it might be decent, or it would probably not have been mentioned in the preview.

Not to mention hots will scale with haste and crit by default, which is pretty damn awesome.

[Nicolette]

Because god only knows how much I -totally- need another spell to have to find a keybind for -.-

^^

I think druids are fine anyways. A lot of shaman heals are procs anyways.

[Metaknight]

No, you don't. And Blizz knows this.
/thread

[Melonberry]

Fuck a new heal, I want a cooldown to decrease damage taken by one or more targets. We're the only healer without one.

[Cactrot]

Rejuv = one target heal? Kid, you're doing it wrong. One target per cast. Lets see, 1 second/cast, what 18 second duration? Yea, that's 18 targets buddy. Sounds like an aoe heal to me.

Just because something TARGETS one person doesn't mean it can't do aoe healing. Druids have the heals they need for every situation, except maybe a bit stronger tank heals. Blizzards recognizes this. Adding another spell would mean taking away from one of the current ones.

That my friend is why they're devs, and thankfully you are not.

[ragingsoul]

you're forgetting that haste will reduce the casting time of our heals AND increase the healing output of our hots WITHOUT making them shorter, which other healers can't benefit a lot from.
You're also forgetting living seed into the equation.
Druids don't need more spells.

[Caylyyn]

I think a point, and I'll see if I can dig up the source, is that healing today, is not what it will be in Cata. Now, you can keep people topped off, and that's your goal. And everyone has the mana to do that. In Cata, topping someone off is not likely to be done. You'll have the 'stable' person, which isn't going to die anytime in the future, so I Rejuv will work. Assuming your healing team is good, a pally will not flash that target, since his mana is at stake too.

You need to get out of the current mindset of healing. It's going to change. So for all you know, a druid will be more versatile then any other healer. Or perhaps worse.

[Cactrot]

And now compare the mana used for these rejuvs to some other AoE heal please . Oh, and evaluate it's use when a larger group is getting damage at the same instant - you won't be able to spend 18sec to "cast your AoE heal". At least the later recipients are put at quite some risk (think countering some AoE DoT-like effect like a badass consecration).

Edit: I don't say we needed another heal. But your argument is still flawed at best.

My argument is incomplete, not flawed. I don't feel like writing out a freaking dissertation to prove that we don't need another heal. Everyone already agrees on that except the OP and a few other people who fail at critical thinking. The point was that hots are most certainly aoe heals. They just aren't necessarily REACTIVE aoe heals.

[Shiira]

I guess the op didn't read the blue post stating that blizzard think that druids have enough heals already and they would rather focus on making sure that all of them are worth using than add more.

[Dillybear]

My argument is incomplete, not flawed. I don't feel like writing out a freaking dissertation to prove that we don't need another heal. Everyone already agrees on that except the OP and a few other people who fail at critical thinking. The point was that hots are most certainly aoe heals. They just aren't necessarily REACTIVE aoe heals.

well even though i agree that we dont need another heal your still wrong. if a heal targets one person its a single target heal. what he means by AoE is multi target per cast, im not trying to argue semantics, but you litterally have no justification to call a hot "AoE" or multi-target since you still have to cast it every single time on each person, it just continues to heal even while your casting on other people. so yes your argument is flawed good sir.

[ELEDIN]

Living seed is on critical and shammys have ancestral healing, priest have inspiration and divine aegis
Also preists hots also affect with critical and and haste and dont forget that holy getting hots to all of their direct spells shammys i think dont affect by crit crit and haste on their hots cause they will became better hot class than us with the new rain while we need to click click click...

The point is that we need a signature on our heals its realy not a game when u see only number when heall and you dont see something beatifull like riptide that u now that now a shammy heals
I m afraid that our hots are not so uniqe anymore

[Cactrot]

well even though i agree that we dont need another heal your still wrong. if a heal targets one person its a single target heal. what he means by AoE is multi target per cast, im not trying to argue semantics, but you litterally have no justification to call a hot "AoE" or multi-target since you still have to cast it every single time on each person, it just continues to heal even while your casting on other people. so yes your argument is flawed good sir.

If I cast the heal on 3 people, what is it affecting? An AREA? So it has an AREA OF EFFECT? Congrats, now you know what area of effect means. He's trying to pin it down as a single target heal. It isn't a single target heal. It heals multiple people just fine.

It affects an area, and for the purposes of discussion what it is used for is aoe heals. No one just tosses rejuv on a single target and goes "well I'm done, I've got my single target heal up."

It doesn't even matter. You're missing the original point anyway, that trying to pin it as a single target heal is retarded, when it will always be used and rolling on multiple targets. Holy light heals one person (ignoring the glyph which is an AOE heal). To heal again you have to recast it. It only ever heals one target no matter how fast you cast it or who you're casting it on. Rejuv is not like that, it is a multiple target heal, just not per cast. If you still don't get that then you're not worth trying to explain it to.

TLDR: For the purposes of this discussion, rejuv is an aoe heal, just not a reactive one.

[Lark]

No, the fundamental changes to druid healing mechanics are a large enough change to develop around. We're talking massive, massive design shift that if just by itself were added you'd totally change the whole druid system.

Never mind the statistical evidence that druids have the second lowest healing variety while having one of the largest piles of spells. (And yeah, throwing paladin up totally throws the whole discussion off)