Gap Closer? Help me understand.

[Evirx]

I really dont understand the problem here...

you have judgement of justice it makes people not run faster than 100%

you run 15% faster than most classes if you are ret or prot ret i dont see holy pallys needing to close gaps that much other than duels and maybe some 1v1's in arena that may happen once in like 100 games due to people dying at the same time or some thing

you have a ranged stun (its farther than melee range and it can be glyphed for more range)

you currently have cleanse so you can remove slowing effects from your self

you also have blessing of freedom

if you are prot you have a slow (shield throw) to close gaps if you are ret you have repentance to close gaps

so honestly what do you really want do you want a charge or a death grip or sprint?

if so why not play the classes that have those

i understand things can be purged dispelled cleansed or whatever but

you have just as good of a chance as any other melee out there vs a good caster

all the other melee that have gap closers cant do the ablitys you can so whats the real issue here

if you think its so easy having a "gap closer" try playing a class that has one vs a good ranged that has a "gap opener" (if you will) and see how its really not all that differnt

[Kalokagathos]

I know i can't speak for everyone, but only for my self...
I wouldn't want the "Charge" or gap closer, for PvP, we got loads of ways to get to targets in PvP.. But it'd be awesome for PvE purpose..
Thats just my opinion!

Best Regards
Kalokagathós of Burning Steppes (EU)

[Evirx]

I know i can't speak for everyone, but only for my self...
I wouldn't want the "Charge" or gap closer, for PvP, we got loads of ways to get to targets in PvP.. But it'd be awesome for PvE purpose..
Thats just my opinion!

Best Regards
Kalokagathós of Burning Steppes (EU)

well for PVE i dont understand it ether you are pretty much in the same boat as DK's i guess

as a tank death grip isnt needed except for the taunt, taunt is just as good it will come to you any way (barring retarded DPS)

as a DPS DK's can just go death gripping bosses or hard hitting trash now can they

just use your 15% faster run speed and call it a day

[Kalokagathos]

As i said, it'd be awesome... but not needed :P I don't mind not having a gap closer, i think our possibilities are nice now.. But it'd just be awesome/cool to smash your head into a big bone while throwing a shield at it

[Tro]

I really dont understand the problem here...

you have judgement of justice it makes people not run faster than 100%

you run 15% faster than most classes if you are ret or prot ret i dont see holy pallys needing to close gaps that much other than duels and maybe some 1v1's in arena that may happen once in like 100 games due to people dying at the same time or some thing

you have a ranged stun (its farther than melee range and it can be glyphed for more range)

you currently have cleanse so you can remove slowing effects from your self

you also have blessing of freedom

if you are prot you have a slow (shield throw) to close gaps if you are ret you have repentance to close gaps

so honestly what do you really want do you want a charge or a death grip or sprint?

if so why not play the classes that have those

i understand things can be purged dispelled cleansed or whatever but

you have just as good of a chance as any other melee out there vs a good caster

all the other melee that have gap closers cant do the ablitys you can so whats the real issue here

if you think its so easy having a "gap closer" try playing a class that has one vs a good ranged that has a "gap opener" (if you will) and see how its really not all that differnt

Repentance and HoJ are also our so caled Interrupts. So have to keep that in mind and factor that into your logic.

Also they can be trinketed out of.

And JoJ wont help if the target can just blink/port away.

HoF can be stolen.

Theres just too many parameters that effect weather or not our current tools are useful as a distant closer

[Artus]

......it'd just be awesome/cool to smash your head into a big bone......

[Styria]

Rogues have a 15% increased movement speed buff via assassination tree. Talent called Fleet Footed

So do Death Knights. (Improved) Unholy Presence. It can either be specced for or you can just... stay in UH Pres. Both Specs have a 50% + Snare. Both Classes have a Gapcloser (Death Grip + Sprint)

Repentance is a 20 yard range. Not helpful when you're getting hit from 40 yards away.

HoJ is 15 yards if glyphed. Again, not useful against people 40 yards away.

The second you Freedom yourself, any caster will either:

A) Purge/Spellsteal
B) Run the fuck away (Aspect of the cheetah out of judgement range, demon port and/or skillcoil, Blink, Ghost Wolf, Travel Form)
C) Use their own "immunity" spell (Deterrence, Voidwalker Sacrifice, Dispersion, Iceblock)
D) Let you get to them, then get away again with 1 button(Thunderfuck, Mind Control, Fear, Disengage, Blink)

Repentance and HoJ are also our so caled Interrupts. So have to keep that in mind and factor that into your logic.

Also they can be trinketed out of.

Or dispelled. HoJ is the only Dispellable stun in the game, repentance the only dispellable incapacitate. People seem to forget that when they're calling our 6 second dispellable stun on a 1 min CD OP.


It's irritating when people say "LOL you have a gapcloser! HoJ and Repent NOOBS" but then also say "LOL you have interrupts! HoJ and Repent NOOBS." Oh, and they're our offensive utility as well... i mean this would make sense if they all had... no cooldown, but considering they're both a 1 min cd... that's... not viable.

[mogulkhan]

Repentance and HoJ are also our so caled Interrupts. So have to keep that in mind and factor that into your logic.

Also they can be trinketed out of.

And JoJ wont help if the target can just blink/port away.

HoF can be stolen.

Theres just too many parameters that effect weather or not our current tools are useful as a distant closer

Then again, in 3's or 2's you'll have a partner to hamstring / cyclone / freeze / roots / stun whatever. If your target did blink your repenteance or stun, once it's back, or if your partners have something to use,your target is screwed. A ret hits hard do compensate for that. Ranged ''executes'' that do holy damage are crazy too. And not all teams can steal/purge your freedom or whatever.

[Jubite]

If you need to pop a major CD to just get to your target, then I think something is wrong.
I was kinda hoping for pallys to get a daze effect or something, but i guess there is still time.

I weep for you pvp pallys

[Evirx]

Repentance and HoJ are also our so caled Interrupts. So have to keep that in mind and factor that into your logic.

Also they can be trinketed out of.

And JoJ wont help if the target can just blink/port away.

HoF can be stolen.

Theres just too many parameters that effect weather or not our current tools are useful as a distant closer

and the abilitys that the other classes have cant be countered just as easily? thats the main thing i dont get you can do all of these things that other classes cant do but you also want what the cllass that has this gap closer has

i want the ablity to BOF my self out of a stun and spam cleanse my self to get out of a frost bolt or get a conflag slow off of me

and im sure DK's and rogues also want these ablitys also

why do you want your cake and be able to eat it also this is what i dont understand ive seen pallys complain about this for years and i never understood it

this is what i dont understand you have awsome ablitys but you want to be unstoppable juggernauts that have a slow, an interupt, a charge/grip/blink/whatever, the ablity to heal to full, become immune, stun / incap, dispells ECT

How can you justify having all of those ablitys and not giving up any?

[RPGfan251]

and the abilitys that the other classes have cant be countered just as easily?
...
i want the ablity to BOF my self out of a stun and spam cleanse my self to get out of a frost bolt or get a conflag slow off of me
and im sure DK's and rogues also want these ablitys also
...
How can you justify having all of those ablitys and not giving up any?

apparently you're not up to date are you? CLEANSE will be a HOLY ONLY ability

[Arararagi]

How can you justify having all of those ablitys and not giving up any?

Because when you have a cake for yourself... you dont toss it away. You eat it!

Logic, people..

[Agroculture]

You misunderstood.Paladins don't want a charge-like ability.No,they'd like The Gap to move closer to their homes so they can go buy fashionable apparel without driving too far.That's the whole "gap closer" argument.

[kenneth044]

I know i can't speak for everyone, but only for my self...
I wouldn't want the "Charge" or gap closer, for PvP, we got loads of ways to get to targets in PvP.. But it'd be awesome for PvE purpose..
Thats just my opinion!

Best Regards
Kalokagathós of Burning Steppes (EU)

Let's hope for a charge in the prot tree! HELL YEAH!

[Ronark]

Then again, in 3's or 2's you'll have a partner to hamstring / cyclone / freeze / roots / stun whatever. If your target did blink your repenteance or stun, once it's back, or if your partners have something to use,your target is screwed. A ret hits hard do compensate for that. Ranged ''executes'' that do holy damage are crazy too. And not all teams can steal/purge your freedom or whatever.

Get some resilience, and its no problem.

[Banzubie]

With cleanse being for holy only and with the new slowing effects that a few classes are getting, we are really in trouble. HoF barely cuts it right now with all the slowing effects.

JoJ really doesnt do much since all it does is stop you from running faster. So it just negates you being on a mount or the little 8% runspeed enchant, it doesnt stop things like blink or teleport or what ever knockback ability is used.

It also screws us over is PvE where our dps is based around a 15second debuff that falls off very easy on multi-target when we just cant get back and forth fast enough.

Dont even get me started on the need for a spell interupt.

[toastymage]

Not to mention that anyone who does that stupid jump backwards while strafing garbage can outrun you all day long, even with JoJ on them. And that's with sub-100 latency on my end :

[barrsftw]

Yes, cleanse being holy only hurts you guys quite a bit. Freedom just needs to be non dispellable on the pally. However, if rets get an interupt and gap closer.... ill never be able to kill them ever as ele.

[Tro]

Then again, in 3's or 2's you'll have a partner to hamstring / cyclone / freeze / roots / stun whatever. If your target did blink your repenteance or stun, once it's back, or if your partners have something to use,your target is screwed. A ret hits hard do compensate for that. Ranged ''executes'' that do holy damage are crazy too. And not all teams can steal/purge your freedom or whatever.

Again you have flawed logic.

Based on you views, that would be like a Healing Priest, not having Heal spells in 3's or 2's because its likely space for another healer class to bring those tools.

Doesnt make sense.

We shouldn't have to rely on other classes to bring the tools that WE need to fill our role.

[Styria]

Then again, in 3's or 2's you'll have a partner to hamstring / cyclone / freeze / roots / stun whatever. If your target did blink your repenteance or stun, once it's back, or if your partners have something to use,your target is screwed. A ret hits hard do compensate for that. Ranged ''executes'' that do holy damage are crazy too. And not all teams can steal/purge your freedom or whatever.

3.0 called. it wants its ret pallies back.

As opposed to Heroic Throw, which has the same range, and does more damage!

You're right. Only the caster teams can. Oh wait... they're the only ones we need a gapcloser against... unless you plan on kiting me with your warrior and nuking me down with your ranged abilities sometime soon.