Did Blizzard forget what FoL is supposed to be?

[antidan]

FoL Historically: Small, Fast, Efficient
HL Historically: large, Fast, Inefficient

vs. Other healers

Med,Fast, Inefficient
+
Large, Slow, Efficient

[Sting]

In case you haven't noticed, they are making 3 types of heals for every class now (bar Druids I suppose).

[klimon]

SFE is OP in Arenas

[Lackluster]

In case you haven't noticed, they are making 3 types of heals for every class now (bar Druids I suppose).

Yup, boring homogenization.

[Ronark]

In case you haven't noticed, they are making 3 types of heals for every class now (bar Druids I suppose).

Druids have the same set-up.

[Cjeska]

No one cares how things were supposed to be years ago. Things change, the only problem is people who have a hard time accepting changes in their heads. It's like if they would change the meaning from red and green in traffic. Those who can adopt will survive, the others will end up as roadpizza, natural selection.

small, fast, inefficient
medium, medium, medium
big, slow, efficient

[Ronark]

small, fast, inefficient
medium, medium, medium
big, slow, efficient

More like

small, fast, inefficient
medium, medium, efficient
big, slow, very efficient

[Araun]

pretty sure the biggest heal is supposed to be inefficient as well, otherwise we'll just end up with every1 spamming the big heal again.

[Cjeska]

pretty sure the biggest heal is supposed to be inefficient as well, otherwise we'll just end up with every1 spamming the big heal again.

No, it's not. Efficient = more heal per point of mana, it doesn't mean it's cheap so you can spam it. Expect to stop a lot of casts at around 80% casttime when healing the tank.

[Ronark]

No, it's not. Efficient = more heal per point of mana, it doesn't mean it's cheap so you can spam it. Expect to stop a lot of casts at around 80% casttime when healing the tank.

Yep. The big heal is efficient, but unfavored due to the cast time behind it.

[Xaveriaa]

I just hope with all this talk about Beacon + FoL that we will using it more often. I personally loathe the spell as is, but that is subject to change come Cata. Cjeska put it best.

Those who can adopt will survive, the others will end up as roadpizza dps, natural selection.

Although if they decide to go with higher mana cost instead, that changes things a bit. Blizzard seems to have this odd obsession to take everything we know about our class, turn it upside down, and shake.

[amielle]

With all these changes, I forgot what paladins were pre-bacon and sacred shield. Seriously, I don't know how I survived with only FoL/Shock/HL. FoL isn't supposed to be HL-status and we've basically been told to use HL most of the time in hardmodes.

Sorry if I don't make sense, exausted...

[Tyratops]

medium fast inefficient
medium medium efficient
big medium inefficient

I believe is what they are aiming for, 2 'oh shit' heals, one for tank and one for the rest.

[Cjeska]

Yep. The big heal is efficient, but unfavored due to the cast time behind it.

Unfavored because you can spam unefficient heals without risking getting oom, which will not be the case in cata. Unfavored because the heals are often too big in comparison to health, which always results in overheal, which will also be different in cata. Right now you can heal a dps from 1% to full with one crit. Casting time is ONLY an issue because everybody else spamms small heals to have the raid topped off at all times.

[Shalae]

With all these changes, I forgot what paladins were pre-bacon and sacred shield. Seriously, I don't know how I survived with only FoL/Shock/HL. FoL isn't supposed to be HL-status and we've basically been told to use HL most of the time in hardmodes.

Sorry if I don't make sense, exausted...

Well Paladins in Vanilla were piss poor healers and were used mainly as buff bots and in TBC they were mana chain potting HL Tank spammers, beacon opened up a lot for Hpalas really.

[Thetruth1400]

In case you haven't noticed, they are making 3 types of heals for every class now (bar Druids I suppose).

Druids are fine and have the same set up as the rest of the classes.

As for the OP, what Blizzard DID and what Blizzard is GOING TO DO are two different things. They even stated in the preview that Paladins were designed backwards and they're changing that.

Conclusion; Homogenization sucks. Enjoy having 4 classes that all are the exact same minus very minor flavor differences.

[tolkienfanman]

With all these changes, I forgot what paladins were pre-bacon and sacred shield. Seriously, I don't know how I survived with only FoL/Shock/HL. FoL isn't supposed to be HL-status and we've basically been told to use HL most of the time in hardmodes.

Sorry if I don't make sense, exausted...

Don't forget in bc holy shock healed for less and had a 20yard range. So we really had Fol and HL.

[elanmoridin]

Druids are fine and have the same set up as the rest of the classes.

As for the OP, what Blizzard DID and what Blizzard is GOING TO DO are two different things. They even stated in the preview that Paladins were designed backwards and they're changing that.

Conclusion; Homogenization sucks. Enjoy having 4 classes that all are the exact same minus very minor flavor differences.

It's either sort of do a Homogenization and allow things to be more balanced and allow them to create better content based around what they know the classes can do.......or have some completely unbalanced things that ruin the experiance for everyone.......


give me Homogenizaton

[Jathro]

Fuck homogenization.

If you want to be a raid healer, you play a class with raid heals. If you want to be a tank healer, you play a paladin. And the reverse is true too. If you play a shaman or druid, you're expected to heal the raid. If you play a paladin, you're expected to tank heal.

I'm sick and tired of pallys bitching they aren't suited to heal the raid. You don't have to do. Do your job and shut up. Worry about your 2 targets while the other healers have to deal with everyone else. If that's not fun or boring for you, go play another class.

[antidan]

Druids are fine and have the same set up as the rest of the classes.

As for the OP, what Blizzard DID and what Blizzard is GOING TO DO are two different things. They even stated in the preview that Paladins were designed backwards and they're changing that.

Conclusion; Homogenization sucks. Enjoy having 4 classes that all are the exact same minus very minor flavor differences.

FoL used to be a really useful heal until they, you know, WotLK'd it, or rather WotLK'd Holy Light.

I just don't see how paladins are going to be useful considering the following proposed changes:
BoL only working with FoL (or whatever the hell they are changing. I know it can't stay in its current form, because the current Beacon is unbalanceable.)
FoL being inefficient (thus making it unspammable, and nullifying its BoL synergy or whatever)
The new paladin heal gained after 80 likely not being equivalent HPS to CH, CoH, WG, or PoH

But that isn't what makes me upset, I'm upset because they are breaking a perfectly fine Paladin paladin toolkit because Bacon was a stupid idea from the beginning and they have too much pride to remove it.