Some Good News

[akaTheDude]

Front Page:

"As an update to the original announcement, there will be two tiers of PvP weapons in Cataclysm. The lower tier weapons will correspond in quality to items found in the latest raid tier on normal difficulty and cost only Conquest Points. The higher tier weapons will correspond in quality to items found in the latest raid tier on Heroic difficulty and will have a minimum personal rating requirement in addition to costing Conquest Points. All of the highest-stat PvP armor, including shoulder and head pieces, will cost only Conquest Points and have no rating requirements. We have updated our original announcement text to reflect this clarification."

IMO this will be a very good change for the game. Nice to see Blizzard letting people get high end PvP gear without stepping foot in an arena. Now we can just hope Blizzard doesnt screw up rated BGs ;D

[ComputerNerd]

Rated battlegrounds are already screwed up, in fact normal ones are because of a fundamental flaw in how they work, and was made worse in recent patches.
Battlegrounds should have their entire focus on the objectives, not random kills which achieve nothing towards that goal, yet that is not the mentality of the majority of players entering them.
As long as you can gain honor, or the new points if that proves to be the case from random kills nowhere near a base, nowhere near a flag carrier etc then the entire system will remain for some factions an "honor" grind.
There is no real incentive for those players who still gain their honor despite being complete asses to actually play to win.

We need such gains only when within range of said objectives, not the recent boosting of honor from kills.
Rated bg's are simply turning them into an arena ladder, and we have already seen how that fails to provide a fair competition.

It should be that you contribute in a meaningful way to gain anything, and actually play to win if you want a decent reward out of it.

[Malthurius]

Rated battlegrounds are already screwed up, in fact normal ones are because of a fundamental flaw in how they work, and was made worse in recent patches.
Battlegrounds should have their entire focus on the objectives, not random kills which achieve nothing towards that goal, yet that is not the mentality of the majority of players entering them.
As long as you can gain honor, or the new points if that proves to be the case from random kills nowhere near a base, nowhere near a flag carrier etc then the entire system will remain for some factions an "honor" grind.
There is no real incentive for those players who still gain their honor despite being complete asses to actually play to win.

We need such gains only when within range of said objectives, not the recent boosting of honor from kills.
Rated bg's are simply turning them into an arena ladder, and we have already seen how that fails to provide a fair competition.

It should be that you contribute in a meaningful way to gain anything, and actually play to win if you want a decent reward out of it.

You get BG rating for winning, and you don't gain or lose any for losing.

[Finangus]

Rated battlegrounds are already screwed up

Wow, I didn't know they released rated BGs already!!!!!

[Herecius]

Rated battlegrounds are already screwed up, in fact normal ones are because of a fundamental flaw in how they work, and was made worse in recent patches.
Battlegrounds should have their entire focus on the objectives, not random kills which achieve nothing towards that goal, yet that is not the mentality of the majority of players entering them.
As long as you can gain honor, or the new points if that proves to be the case from random kills nowhere near a base, nowhere near a flag carrier etc then the entire system will remain for some factions an "honor" grind.
There is no real incentive for those players who still gain their honor despite being complete asses to actually play to win.

We need such gains only when within range of said objectives, not the recent boosting of honor from kills.
Rated bg's are simply turning them into an arena ladder, and we have already seen how that fails to provide a fair competition.

It should be that you contribute in a meaningful way to gain anything, and actually play to win if you want a decent reward out of it.

I'm not sure I understand how the fact that winning is the only way to get good rewards out of rated BGs will somehow make rated BGs already screwed up. The problem you're describing in current random BGs has no basis in what a rated BG battle would be like, because the players doing stupid crap like that in random BGs only want honor, but those in rated BGs have no need for that honor and would be working as a team to win, and would therefor almost certainly be working to completing BG objectives.

[Milanor]

Rated battlegrounds are already screwed up

Ah, thanks for the warning. I'll be sure to avoid them in about 6 months or more, you know, when we can actually play in them.