Elemental/Restoration Dual wielding in cata.

[roger_66]

maybe we really have enough talent point to use.....

p.s. ask some questions here
1.we don't need amor in pve,so dw gives more sp(maybe pvp we still need shields)
2.new skill "Unleash Weapon“ ,how it works? will we get more benifit from our weapon

[Moderator edit:Merged all Dual wielding in Cata threads into one post. Post here on discussion on using dual wielding with elemental and restoration]

[Pokemaster]

You can't offhand sp weapons

[Preech]

Well how many "One handed" SP weps do you know of?

Edit..
I do remember the first dagger drop from Najentus (spelling?) used to be "one hand" but I do think they changed that, if they hadn't though it would have still been BiS most likey if you could DW sp weps though.

[roger_66]

Well how many "One handed" SP weps do you know of?

flametouge weapon offers more sp than shields do...

[whowherewhat?]

I'm going to assume that guards translate to shields but he's absolutely correct. Grab any sort of melee dagger with a nice amount of haste and crit, slap a SP gem in it, enchant it with flametongue weapon and you're looking at a cool 250+ spellpower (maybe more with higher ranks of flametongue)

[roger_66]

You can't offhand sp weapons

but we can use flametouge on offhand wepons

[Preech]

Does it stack with the MH flametounge wep?

[Chuckles!]

No, just no, it has been tinkered with and it is worse than full ele or enhance type of fighting.

[terrih91]

flametouge weapon offers more sp than shields do...

k unless ur gonna use a one hand dps wep for flametounge then grats to you retard. they made Spell power weps Mainhand Only meaning you cant dual weild spell power weps. ill say it again. You Cant Dual Wield Spell Power Weapons. its just too op. think about it having 2 weps with 700+ sp on them? cmon thats more than a staff on its own. with a MH sheild combo you should be near to the staffs sp all u do is give up stats here and there. ull never see a dw ele shamm with 2 sp weps. sorry. L2P please



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[Vengeblade]

You would be gimping yourself so hard. Even with just the preview of talents to come, I'll bet you'll want to be deep elemental like 54+ points, why grab all that useless stuff just to get an extra weapon even IF you could DW SP weapons. They've already stated they don't won't hybrid builds so even if it was possible, they'd just squish it fast.

[freezion]

k unless ur gonna use a one hand dps wep for flametounge then grats to you retard. they made Spell power weps Mainhand Only meaning you cant dual weild spell power weps. ill say it again. You Cant Dual Wield Spell Power Weapons. its just too op. think about it having 2 weps with 700+ sp on them? cmon thats more than a staff on its own. with a MH sheild combo you should be near to the staffs sp all u do is give up stats here and there. ull never see a dw ele shamm with 2 sp weps. sorry. L2P please

Staffs got equal spellpower to the one handed weapons, but it got more stats and socket spots on it eg. intellect, spirit etc. and the shield makes up for the lower amount of stats on the 1h wep.
so its simply bullshit that you're letting out there.
to make it simple -> a equal Ilevel caster blade compared to a staff will have the same amount fo spellpower, but less stats but the staff on the other hand got more socket spots to make up for the spellpower you loose by not having a shield.

[Aoundril]

Think there was one one-handed caster weapon in burning crusade somewhere and who knows what weapons we'll see in cataclysm.

That said it feels unlikely that they'll make it viable since it would probably mess with quite a few things in terms of balance if it got viable.

Still I wouldn't mind if they actually designed elemental shamans to be dual-weilding casters (would be fun if they managed to avoid making it overpowered). With that much extra spell power it would take some meddling with balance to accomplish though.

[Deleted]

No, just no, it has been tinkered with and it is worse than full ele or enhance type of fighting.

They're talking about Cataclysm >_>

We'll definitely see a LOT of Elementals if they don't change the way Flametongue works right now...
You see, FT doesn't scale. So a fresh 80 gets the same amount of SP a shaman decked in 277-gear gets.
Seeing as we'll be starting "from anew" in Cata, FT will give a shitload of SP, compared to shields.
So you WILL want to use a melee-weapon as your offhand, because it will grant way more SP (even with less haste and crit and missing Int) then a shield will.

Will get worse with better items, Shields might at some point overcome offhand weapons.

PS:

k unless ur gonna use a one hand dps wep for flametounge then grats to you retard. they made Spell power weps Mainhand Only meaning you cant dual weild spell power weps. ill say it again. You Cant Dual Wield Spell Power Weapons. its just too op. think about it having 2 weps with 700+ sp on them? cmon thats more than a staff on its own. with a MH sheild combo you should be near to the staffs sp all u do is give up stats here and there. ull never see a dw ele shamm with 2 sp weps. sorry. L2P please

You failed... he never wrote that you'd use two SP weapons. NOONE SAID YOU SHOULD/COULD DO SO.
It happens in other threads, too. As soon as people say "Dual-Wield" and Elemental, Trolls come out crying "You can't DW sp-wepz!!!=!=!= QQQQQQ" while forgetting that onehand-weapons with SP-enchant and Flametongue grant a shitload of SP. Well, I explained it in the top half of my post >_>

[whowherewhat?]

Does it stack with the MH flametounge wep?

k unless ur gonna use a one hand dps wep for flametounge then grats to you retard. they made Spell power weps Mainhand Only meaning you cant dual weild spell power weps. ill say it again. You Cant Dual Wield Spell Power Weapons. its just too op. think about it having 2 weps with 700+ sp on them? cmon thats more than a staff on its own. with a MH sheild combo you should be near to the staffs sp all u do is give up stats here and there. ull never see a dw ele shamm with 2 sp weps. sorry. L2P please

Mispelling? Check.
Anger? Check.
Lack of reading the thread? Check.
Captain, troll spotted. Shall we proceed as per regulations?
...shoot him down Ensign.


On topic, the OP never said dual wielding spellpower weapons. If you use a melee in your offhand (which will still have some sort of haste/crit) and enchant it with flametongue you can still get 250+ sp which is much more than a shield or caster offhand.

[Preech]

k unless ur gonna use a one hand dps wep for flametounge then grats to you retard. they made Spell power weps Mainhand Only meaning you cant dual weild spell power weps. ill say it again. You Cant Dual Wield Spell Power Weapons. its just too op. think about it having 2 weps with 700+ sp on them? cmon thats more than a staff on its own. with a MH sheild combo you should be near to the staffs sp all u do is give up stats here and there. ull never see a dw ele shamm with 2 sp weps. sorry. L2P please

While I agree that DW ele won't be viable, I'm pretty sure asking questions about shit that isn't fully complete atm does not warrant that kind of response.

[conscript]

You would be gimping yourself so hard. Even with just the preview of talents to come, I'll bet you'll want to be deep elemental like 54+ points, why grab all that useless stuff just to get an extra weapon even IF you could DW SP weapons. They've already stated they don't won't hybrid builds so even if it was possible, they'd just squish it fast.

It is possible, and as of the current Alpha build talent trees it seems more than plausible. The builds I have seen thrown around skip Earthquake and Thunderstorm, so assuming you can get by without the mana regen and you don't want two situational aoes there is a lot that could happen.

Think there was one one-handed caster weapon in burning crusade somewhere and who knows what weapons we'll see in cataclysm.

Spell power weapons were forever nerfed into MH only in the middle of BC because of the ability for Shaman to dual wield them. Two of the daggers of Najentus was a ridiculous build for awhile until it got curbstomped by Blizzard. I don't expect them to ever make it that viable again, but they could possibly allow Shamans to use another weapon instead of a shield/offhand although I suspect if it was to ever give a measurable benefit over the normal build they would nerf it again by burying DW deeper (not that that wouldn't crush leveling Enhance shaman. But then again it is moronic that dual wield isn't baseline.)

[Craas]

You get more Spellpower than a shield gives you by just enchanting them both with Flametongue and then you can consider taking a weapon with as many sockets as possible so you can socket sp too

Like http://www.wowhead.com/item=28572

this gives you three sockets for whatever you want + Flametongue on offhand

Or just take a melee weapon with a socket :P

[Deleted]

It is possible, and as of the current Alpha build talent trees it seems more than plausible. The builds I have seen thrown around skip Earthquake and Thunderstorm, so assuming you can get by without the mana regen and you don't want two situational aoes there is a lot that could happen.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...-7t8cIP,,11927
Or:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...RS0jUED,,11927
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...EkJrWGP,,11927 might be possible, too.

You don't need to and maybe shouldn't skip EQ and/or TS. TS might be needed for manareg and EQ is just awesome.

[ohnobees]

This could also work http://www.wowhead.com/item=27901 plus it has a fun proc.

[evan_s]

Hard to theorycraft at this point but it might be worth going to dual wield to get dual Flametounges but if that is the case I expect Blizzard to do something to break it. Since they seem to want dual wield to be available earlier to enhancement shaman the simplest option seems to be to only allow flametounge on one weapon. Enhancement shaman wouldn't use dual FT anyway so all it does is kill this off for elemental shaman.