Thoughts on the new dps trinket?

[Sinister Knight]

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/54569/s...wilight-scale/

For those that are lazy...

Sharpened Twilight Scale

Equip: 163 ArP
Equip: When you deal damage you have a chance to gain 1304 attack power for 15 sec.

Presumably a 45 sec ICD.

Off the top of my head I'm going to guess that this won't even be top 5 for us. Hooray worthless 271 trinket...

Gee thanks, more passive ArP trinkets Blizzard.

Anyone have different ideas on it? Am I jumping the gun assuming that despite the ap proc, the arp won't make it good enough for us to bother with compared to the rest currently available?

[Baabinator]

Not everything is designed to be for your class.

[Xtra]

It will be good enough though to beat most alternative trinkets

[Saikred]

I like that you realise it's not that great for you at least.

DBW is going to a paladin before me (Arms Warrior)... due to our stupid loot system.

Same thing will happen for this one I'm guessing

[BooMsx]

Wow... QQing pally... so what else is new?

[TroyBlade]

Every new dps trinket in the game should be itemised exactly and perfectly for you and also be an upgrade over your current trinkets.

If this doesn't happen, the game is broken beyond horrific terrible belief and is not worth playing.

[Stings]

i knuw teh feeling, my itemz dunt have over 9000 spellpower, games broken, i go play everquest

[Deleted]

My thoughts on them? Awesome trinket!
I'm an MM hunter and this is perfectly itemized for me. And I can just as easily see Arms Warriors and Blood DKs going all crazy over this trinket as well.

TBH I /care for all the QQing about trinkets. There are enough trinkets out there to fit your own needs. They might be harder to come by but hey Blizzard isn't designing this game to be a total faceroll. Some things are meant to be hard. My guild has wiped a total of 15 times now on Putricide now over 2 weeks time, while we've cleared all other bosses (except LK ofcourse) in ICC. Just because the trinkets you need don't come with a faceroll value of 80% doesn't mean Blizzard is trying to ban Pally's from the game.

[Agathon]

wow the trolls are really buzzing today

[Skollvaldr]

My thoughts on them? Awesome trinket!
I'm an MM hunter and this is perfectly itemized for me. And I can just as easily see Arms Warriors and Blood DKs going all crazy over this trinket as well.

TBH I /care for all the QQing about trinkets. There are enough trinkets out there to fit your own needs. They might be harder to come by but hey Blizzard isn't designing this game to be a total faceroll. Some things are meant to be hard. My guild has wiped a total of 15 times now on Putricide now over 2 weeks time, while we've cleared all other bosses (except LK ofcourse) in ICC. Just because the trinkets you need don't come with a faceroll value of 80% doesn't mean Blizzard is trying to ban Pally's from the game.

your arguments are flawed since arp classes now got two extremely good trinkets in a row.
both are pretty useless for rets/enhancers/mutis and both come from faceroll bosses.
this imbalance is the problem.

it's always easy to stamp somebodys valid complaints as QQ when you are part of the group that gets the good stuff handed for free, isn't it?

[Oweena]

Tiny abom and death choice ain't good for you now?

[Saikred]

Tiny abom and death choice ain't good for you now?

But mah gearscorez will be higher with Ruby Sanctum trinkets.

QQ

[omegatrigun]

Tiny abom and death choice ain't good for you now?

Yes, let's all do old content just for those trinkets that are still bis for those few classes. I'm sure 20 something other people won't mind doing something they get no benefit from just to help you.

[Mammoth]

Every new dps trinket in the game should be itemised exactly and perfectly for you and also be an upgrade over your current trinkets.

(sarcasm I assume)

Just be glad you're not a tank. ICC25 trinket was pointless apart from a few fights.

Trinkets are not just a bit of gear. You shouldn't be equipping the next highest iLvL one, because the stats have increased by 5% from the last raid. Trinkets should be an intellegent choice and preferably dependant on the fight (like tank trinkets are: dodge for some, effective health for others).

[omegatrigun]

Every new dps trinket in the game should be itemised exactly and perfectly for you and also be an upgrade over your current trinkets.

If this doesn't happen, the game is broken beyond horrific terrible belief and is not worth playing.

Apparently asking for something not to be terrible = asking for it to be perfect.

No one's saying it should be perfect. People are saying that it's bad design to make a stat that's great for some specs, and terrible for others, and then put that stat on almost everything.

If some other stat (let's say haste) was terrible for arp loving specs (instead of just decent) and it was all over 80% of the good gear right now, all of them would complain exactly the same way.

[Deleted]

your arguments are flawed since arp classes now got two extremely good trinkets in a row.
both are pretty useless for rets/enhancers/mutis and both come from faceroll bosses.
this imbalance is the problem.

it's always easy to stamp somebodys valid complaints as QQ when you are part of the group that gets the good stuff handed for free, isn't it?

All I did was give my thought about the trinket, which I did. No need to try and fend of my opinion. He asked for it and he got it.

[Skollvaldr]

ICC 4th boss: Armor Penetration
ICC 7th boss: None-armor pen
RS only boss: Armor Penetration

Learn what a row is.

/facepalm

patch is the keyword.

toc:
dc: good for any melee

icc:
hwt: good for haste users (any dw class)
wfs: good for any melee
dbw: only good for arp users (fury, arms, mm, blood, to some degree frost and unholy)
taij: only good for proc classes (ret, enhance, muti)

rs:
scale: only good for arp users


you see, every patch in itself had an ok-ish balance between the trinkets.
now ruby sanctum comes along and brings only one trinket witch is not good for every melee.

All I did was give my thought about the trinket, which I did. No need to try and fend of my opinion. He asked for it and he got it.

and i gave my opinion about your opinion, got a problem with that?

[Londonforce]

My thoughts on it? Most ret pallies are being complete babies.

It has ARP so its bad right? Wrong. It has ARP, so its less than ideal, but by no means bad. Assuming the proc is similar in CD and whatnot to Deaths Choice, I modelled it in Rawr under the old Banner of Victory. It comes out as being worth 594.32 DPS with my current gear (most of it BiS normal icc25).

For comparison WFS 251 is about 40 DPS less, and DC 245 is about 20 dps more. Please try to have a basic understanding of your class and how it works before you cry the sky is falling.

I guess a part of my does wish it had static AP instead of haste, but my biggest dissappointment is in all the babies crying over it. Actually scratch that, we all knew people would cry no matter what happened.

TL;DR - Depending on gear, its one of our top 5 trinkets, comming out ahead of WFS and only slightly behind DC 245.

[omegatrigun]

My thoughts on it? Most ret pallies are being complete babies.

It has ARP so its bad right? Wrong. It has ARP, so its less than ideal, but by no means bad. Assuming the proc is similar in CD and whatnot to Deaths Choice, I modelled it in Rawr under the old Banner of Victory. It comes out as being worth 594.32 DPS with my current gear (most of it BiS normal icc25).

For comparison WFS 251 is about 40 DPS less, and DC 245 is about 20 dps more. Please try to have a basic understanding of your class and how it works before you cry the sky is falling.

I guess a part of my does wish it had static AP instead of haste, but my biggest dissappointment is in all the babies crying over it. Actually scratch that, we all knew people would cry no matter what happened.

TL;DR - Depending on gear, its one of our top 5 trinkets, comming out ahead of WFS and only slightly behind DC 245.

I've been playing ret since early BC. I know my class very well. Making a stat that's the best for some specs and dead last for others and then putting it all over gear is dumb. Too bad it's too late for changes.

[Nillo]

TL;DR - Depending on gear, its one of our top 5 trinkets, comming out ahead of WFS and only slightly behind DC 245.

And about miles away from the next possible trinket for any ArP class
=> No ret with half a brain will ever get it over them.
=> It's no ret trinket
=> TaJ ftw