Arcane Mage T10 rotation

[JIUBEY]

The best rotation is not ABx4>AM and neither is priority ABx2/3/4->AM. The best rotation and the best output is this: While ARCANE POWER is up you follow ABx2/3/4->AM and when it is on cd you follow ABx4>AM. This gives you the best dmg output/mana spent and comes closer to a steady dps as an arcane mage can be.

[Girltalk]

Source..?

[JIUBEY]

The source is you(Neo )..... try it on the dummyes and see the dmg output/mana cost. For arcane is not the best thinking to go out and say well i do this dmg=> because if u delept your mana and evoc and all potions and all and remain 1 minute during an icc fight with sporadic casts then you lose dmg. Try to not go all out in 1 minute and mentain steady dps and notice that the dmg/mana output is greater.


Bottom line try it on dummies!

[Hendrixstorm]

The source is you(Neo )..... try it on the dummyes and see the dmg output/mana cost. For arcane is not the best thinking to go out and say well i do this dmg=> because if u delept your mana and evoc and all potions and all and remain 1 minute during an icc fight with sporadic casts then you lose dmg. Try to not go all out in 1 minute and mentain steady dps and notice that the dmg/mana output is greater.


Bottom line try it on dummies!

That's where I stopped reading. Hitting a heroic dummy does NOT = Proof that it will remain the same on a boss. You need to sim this on a 5-7 min fight with every mana restoration buff to have proof that this a correct change.

[JIUBEY]

Point taken! I forgot to tell that I was aiming for optimal conditions for the test. What can cost you to try it in a raid? From this emerges a question: should Blizz implement a Sandbox level for us to train in optimal conditions before attending a raid? Is it possible that instead of the training dummy to have a configurable situation suited to what we want to try because my calculation is not more different then having a simulator telling you the outcome of a certain action or certain series of actions!

[chupatwo]

that actually sounds awesome, you could configure raid buffs and what-not, getting replenishment for us non frost magi.

and having your own unique enviroment would prevent any other people running up and ruining our tests by putting their debuffs on it!!

i like this idea, although i doubt we will be seeing anything like this happening.

[Potato Bus]

that actually sounds awesome, you could configure raid buffs and what-not, getting replenishment for us non frost magi.

and having your own unique enviroment would prevent any other people running up and ruining our tests by putting their debuffs on it!!

i like this idea, although i doubt we will be seeing anything like this happening.

Bribe some guildies/friends to come to the Silvermoon (Darnasus for ally maybe? dunno, I only go to ally cities to kill) dummies and go at it as a group. Pretty sure that'll prevent extra debuffs, and you'll get some of the group synergy with buffs.

Remember reading somewhere on here about a RL testing pug recruits in groups of 5 on dummies for DPS to help simulate basic raid buffs in lieu of relying on GS and achieves.

[Twoflower]

Having a gut feeling and doing some tests on a target dummy hardly beats the mathwork that the knowledgable people over at the EJ forums have made.

[Chaos123]

When you say 'Arcane power' are you refering to the 'Pushing the Limit'? Just wondering as you have T10 mentioned in the title and absolutely nothing about the set bonus mentioned?

In my eyes the best rotation, fits around the up time on the 4 set bonus and how many cast you can get in before the buff falls off!

[InfernalRain]

While ARCANE POWER is up

I guess I've been doing it wrong, as it was my impression during AP nukes (maybe only during an actual nuke phase) the best dps was to spam AB?

[JIUBEY]

Having a gut feeling and doing some tests on a target dummy hardly beats the mathwork that the knowledgable people over at the EJ forums have made.

That math is not done in similar conditions as the real thing. You can compute here the composition of the moon surface or moon mechanics but you cannot sustain that this things are real until you at least have a similar environment to test your beliefs. Having similar conditions while testing this can adjust the error range of a mathematical computation to almost being equal to the real state itself. And has a plus that you can see or approximate what value can you bring to a raiding group.

I guess I've been doing it wrong, as it was my impression during AP nukes (maybe only during an actual nuke phase) the best dps was to spam AB?

The whole idea came from the belief that computing damage or dps is not enough to label someone or to compare it's value to the raiding group, but in fact it's efficiency is computed by the steady value of his damage(we exclude here the skill-> in fact the talk here is only for good raiding guilds). The efficiency is computed by damage done/ mana point consumed ratio. Comparing it in both cases and using a timeline gives you the answer=> maximum profit at minimum cost.

[Hendrixstorm]

That math is not done in similar conditions as the real thing.

Yes it is.

[Skarrd]

Using 4 stack rotations is the highest dps. Always. Even moreso with cooldowns up. So, no.

[JIUBEY]

Using 4 stack rotations is the highest dps. Always. Even moreso with cooldowns up. So, no.

In case you didn't noticed is about max dmg / mana point output a mage can have. So far for me was the one described by me.

[Twoflower]

That math is not done in similar conditions as the real thing. You can compute here the composition of the moon surface or moon mechanics but you cannot sustain that this things are real until you at least have a similar environment to test your beliefs. Having similar conditions while testing this can adjust the error range of a mathematical computation to almost being equal to the real state itself. And has a plus that you can see or approximate what value can you bring to a raiding group.

Yeah, because they mos certainly didnt test their math after they calculated it... Seriously... Unless you have some degree in maths and are bored home at night, just believe in the things the ppl at EJ calculated and follow their instructions. It will not only safe you alot of work, you will also play better.

[Amnezia]

In case you didn't noticed is about max dmg / mana point output a mage can have. So far for me was the one described by me.

/fail

[Nthpower]

actually, is NOT a bad idea as arcane mage to pull a 5th arcane blast (so ,the 5th take the full 60% damage buff) and only then use AMissile for the Tier Proc... with a decent quantity of haste you should be able to keep the buff for nearly 80-90% of the length of the fight

[ilialilov]

When will you realize that there is no "Perfect" rotation. It doesn't exist in WoW ... just in simulators. It all depends on the boss fights, your group setup and RNG. You can't possibly tell me that on a long fight like LK you can manage with 4AB->AM. And also on zergs like Saurfang, rotface, fastergut, BQ. Why the would you want to go with the mana efficient rotations? Also imagine you get ton of mana back from frost ward on Deathwisper. Are you going to continue with the same rotation? HELL NO! On fights like sindragosa where mana isn't generally a problem and you can cast free evocates you might even want to use mana shield to get the IA proc. Wake up and realize that wow isn't rawr, it isn't the dummy practice either. Learn to play already.

[therealpeni]

actually, is NOT a bad idea as arcane mage to pull a 5th arcane blast (so ,the 5th take the full 60% damage buff) and only then use AMissile for the Tier Proc... with a decent quantity of haste you should be able to keep the buff for nearly 80-90% of the length of the fight

first AB does not benefit from 2t10, furthermore with "normal" haste levels u get 3AB's with 2t10 up, (respectively the 2nd,3rth and 4th) Mbam itself does not benefit from 2t10.
if u do 3ab MBAM then your MBAM does benefit from 2t10, and as far as i knew is the sole reason how 3ab - mbam is so close to 4ab-mbam.
so 4ab-MBAM are 5 casts, u have it up for 3/5 cast, so more like 60%
under BL / IV / haste pot, ... it's more likely to be 80%.

[Deleted]

first AB does not benefit from 2t10, furthermore with "normal" haste levels u get 3AB's with 2t10 up, (respectively the 2nd,3rth and 4th) Mbam itself does not benefit from 2t10.
if u do 3ab MBAM then your MBAM does benefit from 2t10, and as far as i knew is the sole reason how 3ab - mbam is so close to 4ab-mbam.
so 4ab-MBAM are 5 casts, u have it up for 3/5 cast, so more like 60%
under BL / IV / haste pot, ... it's more likely to be 80%.

Not sure where you've had this from.. If you have over 900 haste you can get all your AB's and the Arcane Missiles to benefit from your 2 part T10. The only reason your first AB doesn't benefit is because you're chain casting. The proc doesn't pop up until you've finished chanelling your Arcane Missiles and since you're chain casting, you've already started casting your first AB as Arcane Missiles are finishing, meaning that first one doesn't catch the buff.

I usually have a 90%+ uptime on my 2pT10 (before any CD's and/or BL), and I'll even dig up the logs to prove it. Please don't give information out when you clearly have no clue yourself.