Arcane Missle Question

[God Save The King]

Every once in a while when casting Arcane Blast, Missile Barrage will proc off of each Arcane Blast, to me it seems like a DPS loss letting 3 of the procs go to waste. My question is, is it more dps efficient to stack to four regardless is use up the MB proc every time?
Thank you in advance

[Rubymage]

i know what you mean but really blast hits harder them missiles so after 3 or 4 stacks of blast then use your missiles

[Doctadrew]

You wouldn't be able to tell if your next AB would proc missiles so it's not a waste.

[thejosh]

if mine proced when i was arcane i would wait till at least 2 or 3 to use it. changed last night i missed fire

[Yoshimiko]

Missiles are only used to clear stacks, Blast is where your damage is at.

[bronco]

missiles are only used to clear stacks, blast is where your damage is at.

winrar

[sidphoenix]

Missiles are only used to clear stacks, Blast is where your damage is at.

WHAT!?! your damage per execute time on missiles is nearly double that of arcane blast. im getting to be embarrassed to be a mage at this point.

[bronco]

WHAT!?! your damage per execute time on missiles is nearly double that of arcane blast. im getting to be embarrassed to be a mage at this point.

Yes and they hit so hard after getting buffed 4 times by AB. You're right, be embarrassed.

[ulubproness]

WHAT!?! your damage per execute time on missiles is nearly double that of arcane blast. im getting to be embarrassed to be a mage at this point.

if you read your arcane blast debuff it increases damage of ALL of your arcane spells so the only reason arcane missiles even do decent damage is because of the x4 AB debuff

[Laadeeda]

AB : Charging mah....
MBAM :

[sidphoenix]

Yes and they hit so hard after getting buffed 4 times by AB. You're right, be embarrassed.

ok fine:
arcane missiles hits for 1800 with no gear and talents, AB hits for less than 1300.
WITH buffs, talents, and missile barrage, MBAM on ZERO stacks is right at 13000DPS.
arcane blast spam with full buffs, gear, and talents is at 12000 with 4 stacks.

so remind me again in what scenario arcane missiles should be used only to clear? show me a single scenario when casting the missile barrage would be less damage than the arcane blast and I will agree. You must be remembering T9, where the 4 PC pushed arcane blast higher.

[Hobs]

Yes and they hit so hard after getting buffed 4 times by AB. You're right, be embarrassed.

if you read your arcane blast debuff it increases damage of ALL of your arcane spells so the only reason arcane missiles even do decent damage is because of the x4 AB debuff

You're both terribly retarded

[Shanair]

wow

[DirewolfX]

Short answer: Stack to 4 before you blow your MBAM. If mana is running low, you can go with just 2 or 3 without a huge DPS loss.

Long answer: MBAM is the highest DPS option available to an Arcane Mage, but it's a proc. Arcane Blast (0) is the lowest DPS option available (even lower than Arcane Barrage). The goal is to balance being in a high damage/mana cost state (Arcane Blast with stacks) versus cashing in on the MBAM proc for big DPS and going back to a low damage/mana cost state.

It's very hard to reason about what balance of stacking AB and blowing MBAM will result in the highest DPS, which is why we rely on advanced simulations to calculate the highest DPS rotation (I doubt more than a few of you, if any, have the mathematical background to prove the highest DPS rotation). At present, it is still ABSpam04MBAM, which is spam Arcane Blast, and cast MBAM if you have 0 or 4 stacks of Arcane Blast and a proc. However, once you have 2pt10, the haste buff makes up for a lot of the DPS lost by popping MBAM early, and you'll be losing very little DPS at a huge reduction in mana usage.

[bronco]

ok fine:
arcane missiles hits for 1800 with no gear and talents, AB hits for less than 1300.
WITH buffs, talents, and missile barrage, MBAM on ZERO stacks is right at 13000DPS.
arcane blast spam with full buffs, gear, and talents is at 12000 with 4 stacks.

so remind me again in what scenario arcane missiles should be used only to clear? show me a single scenario when casting the missile barrage would be less damage than the arcane blast and I will agree. You must be remembering T9, where the 4 PC pushed arcane blast higher.

Ever heard of something called DPM? It's a caster thing. Learn it and use it before throwing random numbers generated by you going tunnel vision on something.

[sidphoenix]

Ever heard of something called DPM? It's a caster thing. Learn it and use it before throwing random numbers generated by you going tunnel vision on something.

DPM is damage per mana. arcane missiles under the case of the missile barrage will cost none. my rotation has more of that. My rotation has fewer casts of AB at full stack, so takes less mana.

Why do I feel like Im getting trolled. The whole point of my argument always has been for DPM.

[Nukeguy]

ok fine:
arcane missiles hits for 1800 with no gear and talents, AB hits for less than 1300.
WITH buffs, talents, and missile barrage, MBAM on ZERO stacks is right at 13000DPS.
arcane blast spam with full buffs, gear, and talents is at 12000 with 4 stacks.

so remind me again in what scenario arcane missiles should be used only to clear? show me a single scenario when casting the missile barrage would be less damage than the arcane blast and I will agree. You must be remembering T9, where the 4 PC pushed arcane blast higher.

You're missing an unbelievably obvious point. It's not: MBAM may or may not do more dps than arcane blasts. It's the fact that you want to get the most damage out of it possible. You achieve this through 4 arcane blasts.

[edinayc]

When wear 2pc-T10 I have found it to be a DPS increase to only cast 3 AB then AM when you have "0 sec" showing on your "Pushing the Limit" buff that way you have the haste buff up nearly 100%. Minus those unlucky MBAM proc-free streaks

[Zabad]

I would link the post on elitistjerks that did a bit of a study on that (But I'm not enough of a memember to do so yet..), in the end with a 0.0 reaction speed the best "considered" rotation is usually a 4 stack of AB then MBAM however a 3 stack MBAM is slightly lower in dps (around 100-50dps lower) but gives more Mana Regen, in reality it depends on the fight, short fights if you don't need to worry about your mana (any bosses in VoA) I suggest going with a 4 stack.. but when I'm up against the LK I stick to my 3 stack rotation simply due to the length of the fight..

[bronco]

DPM is damage per mana. arcane missiles under the case of the missile barrage will cost none. my rotation has more of that. My rotation has fewer casts of AB at full stack, so takes less mana.

Why do I feel like Im getting trolled. The whole point of my argument always has been for DPM.

Not trolling but you don't know about DPM tradeoff. You're ignoring the part that proc is random and how best your mana would work in making that proc which is good by itself even sweeter. Learn before you post.