Elemental Shaman

[Stormwolf64]

So i just started gearing up my shaman for elemental so my question is this. How is elemental for those who are good geared? Do you stand a chance competing against other classes in raids cause i have heard that it is both good and bad. And is the RNG lighting overload talent a issue? cause it seems to me that if im unlucky and don't get too many proccs i fall way behind in heroics.

[Mongoose19]

You will be rock bottom on the charts.

[Cheddabezze]

You will be rock bottom on the charts.

^This.


My main spec is ele on my shaman, I can not compete with equally geared classes at all. Highest ive seen my dps in my 25m guild runs is like 5th or 6th always behind locks,mages and a crazy good feral druid

[Super Santiago]

Im an elemental shaman running about 10k dps in ICC, however my gear is very good. Elemental shamans are theoretically the worst dps because their spells dont scale as well with spellpower as other classes do and our ToW is subpar compared to demonic pact, however if you can get a demo lock in your raids, you can drop searing totem and boost your dps a shit ton. Also make sure not to move unless nessesary, movement kills elem dps by alot

[Kenickie]

Elemental Shamans right now do 5% less DPS than equally geared caster DPS(maybe more or less depending on the fight). If you put an equally geared Elly shaman in Simulation craft or Rawr to say a Shadow Priest or Warlock you will see this difference. However if you are the only elly shaman in the group and there is no Demo lock this lower DPS is easily made up by the DPS you bring to the other casters through buffs. Nice thing is in Cata looks like there will be some nice buffs to Elly and you can use fire totems that will actually dps while bringing a SP buff to the raid, so blizz is fixxing this just have to wait till Cata.

[Stormwolf64]

This was not what i wanted to hear Perhaps i will start leveling my mage instead.

[Lebored]

So i just started gearing up my shaman for elemental so my question is this. How is elemental for those who are good geared? Do you stand a chance competing against other classes in raids cause i have heard that it is both good and bad. And is the RNG lighting overload talent a issue? cause it seems to me that if im unlucky and don't get too many proccs i fall way behind in heroics.

It depends
Are you in a guild where everyone can play their character at a high level? Your damage will be good but not at the top
Are you in a guild/pug where player level varies? Your relative damage will be as high as you can make it, with possibility being #1 dps

Theres no opinion here, go sim a BiS list for each class and list them out at highest possible dps. You will see where Elemental stands in "possible dps", beyond that its up to your ability to play your character and the other people in your raid to play theirs to determine how you will compare.

[Stormwolf64]

Well, honestly one of the reasons i went elemental now was to hopefully have a bit simpler and more relaxing playstyle than Death knight which i have been playing this entire expansion, but it seems like you really really have to get into it to have any noticeable dps and thats out of the question.

[Vadoor]

Magic word for elemental shaman is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fire Elemental

For the 2 or so minutes it is up you will be able to compete with other casters because it brings you an insane dps increase and if you have a demo lock covering the sp buff then you can pull pretty good numbers. I pull anywhere from 11-13k on the majority of the fights due to fire ele, its tougher for ele to do good but i think once you get towards the higher tier of t10 (sanct and heroic) you should be hitting around 22k+ on lava burst and if your horde and use your racials correctly then you will pull good dps

Also if your looking for a relaxed playstyle elemental shaman dps rotation is easy to master

[critterkiller]

Magic word for elemental shaman is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fire Elemental

For the 2 or so minutes it is up you will be able to compete with other casters because it brings you an insane dps increase and if you have a demo lock covering the sp buff then you can pull pretty good numbers. I pull anywhere from 11-13k on the majority of the fights due to fire ele, its tougher for ele to do good but i think once you get towards the higher tier of t10 (sanct and heroic) you should be hitting around 22k+ on lava burst and if your horde and use your racials correctly then you will pull good dps

Also if your looking for a relaxed playstyle elemental shaman dps rotation is easy to master

Soooo, yer saying we should have flame ele totem glyph?

[Venziir]

Magic word for elemental shaman is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fire Elemental

For the 2 or so minutes it is up you will be able to compete with other casters because it brings you an insane dps increase and if you have a demo lock covering the sp buff then you can pull pretty good numbers. I pull anywhere from 11-13k on the majority of the fights due to fire ele, its tougher for ele to do good but i think once you get towards the higher tier of t10 (sanct and heroic) you should be hitting around 22k+ on lava burst and if your horde and use your racials correctly then you will pull good dps

Also if your looking for a relaxed playstyle elemental shaman dps rotation is easy to master

Pants on fire....

[hopshock]

In my 25man guild, Our ele shaman is 13k+ dps on most of the fights. but then again, he's actually good.

[Finnober]

Hmm.. I often beat the shit out of our other dd's ( And I can say they are equally geared )

Saurfang always 1-3
Bloodprince always 1-3
Dreamwalker always 1
Lk (H)always 1-5
Rotface always 1-4
Putricide always 1-3
Gunship always top ( lol xD )
And also deathwhisper/marrowgar top, excluding rng-badluck^^

etc etc^^

At least you CAN compete with them.. or you should be able....
Its all about movement mitigation

But I agree... the other dd's are scaling way better... need small dps-buff =P

[Vadoor]

Soooo, yer saying we should have flame ele totem glyph?

no its bad

[whowherewhat?]

Hmm.. I often beat the shit out of our other dd's ( And I can say they are equally geared )

Saurfang always 1-3
Bloodprince always 1-3
Dreamwalker always 1
Lk (H)always 1-5
Rotface always 1-4
Putricide always 1-3
Gunship always top ( lol xD )
And also deathwhisper/marrowgar top, excluding rng-badluck^^

etc etc^^

At least you CAN compete with them.. or you should be able....
Its all about movement mitigation

But I agree... the other dd's are scaling way better... need small dps-buff =P

keep in mind tho, finnober is one of the best in the world (check WoL).
I'm a 11/12 heroic elemental, so fairly well geared. depending on which fight we do i can range from bottom (10th and below) to 1-3rd place (blood princes/marrowgar/saurfang usually). when i get geared more, i'll know better where i stand, i'm still far outgeared by a few in my guild. i'm "Thing" in this http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/10602/

Finnober, i'm interested to hear what you mean by movement mitigation, do you use any specific strategies on certain bosses? I'd love to see a video or read a "how-to" by you :P big fan

[Chitzu]

Basics of an Elemental Shaman, or rather for any class is that...

If you're bad at your class/specc, you'll rock the bottom line of the charts no matter of what Specc you're playing, Elemental Shamans just scale less then others so the possibility of being down there is higher.

But there's nothing that says that... just because you're playing an Elemental shaman, you'll be at the very bottom of the DPS, this is not correct whatsoever.

Toravon the Ice Watcher (Currently World ranked 2.d, US Ranked 1.st):

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...mental_Shaman/
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/hnjcm...7&e=408#Hirazo

Blood Prince-council:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/my0i8...=12413&e=12718

Blood Queen:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/my0i8...=13731&e=14029


As you can see, Elemental Shamans isn't that far behind as said, it's all about if your Raid setup benefits you enough compared to the others, How you decide to move during encounters - you need to minimize all movement as much as possible, Elemental Shamans suffer more then any other range DPS from this.

Now most of my Charts there is outdated since i haven't played for about/over a month, god knows what buff it was then. Although i had previous charts where i was ranked 1.st - 12.th in the world on the following fights: Lich King (25 Normal), Putricide (25 Normal), Blood-queen (25-normal/Heroic), Blood-Prince (25Normal), Lady Deathwhisper (25 Normal/Heroic)... there's a bunch of fights where i've been up there, both right ahead / below of Finnober when i were still playing the game, no i'm more of an active community member.

But yeh, don't get disencouraged of playing an Elemental Shaman, if that's what you wanna do.. make sure that you read up alot, analyze the encounters and improve every single time on the movement, don't jump if you don't have to, don't move cause you're bored, stay where you are and focus on timing your spells instead, this is where a lot lose their DPS on as well, by not timing their spells, not using their CD's correct etc etc.

[Stormwolf64]

Thanks all for your answers. It seems to me that if you are great you rock the top with the rest, but if you're an average joe you just straight up suck. Well, I'm not experienced with spellcasters as i have basically only raided as resto shaman in TBC and played casters while leveling and not anything else. I don't like to brag, but i was pretty great on my death knight, but that means nothing as spellcasters function entirely different than melee. So I really have to give this some though.

[whowherewhat?]

Thanks all for your answers. It seems to me that if you are great you rock the top with the rest, but if you're an average joe you just straight up suck. Well, I'm not experienced with spellcasters as i have basically only raided as resto shaman in TBC and played casters while leveling and not anything else. I don't like to brag, but i was pretty great on my death knight, but that means nothing as spellcasters function entirely different than melee. So I really have to give this some though.

I was originally one of those who re-rolled in wrath to a dk with the intent of her being my main. I'll tell you right now that elemental, while functioning differently from dks, is not that hard to get good at. But, like any other class it takes a while to get "great" at it :3 just fiddle around with power auras or similar mods to track cooldowns of stuff down to the milisecond and you'll do fine!

[Evect]

Elemental is fine. The dps is competitive and I can top a few fights in ICC 25, and come within the top 5-6 on most others. A big help to Elemental DPS is being able to use Fire Elemental/Searing Totem over dropping ToW. Demo lock is a big <3

[Stormwolf64]

problem with Warlock is that they always have to change specc. I have a 70 Warlock aswell, but its out of the question since the class is so unstable.