No Tanking Weps in Cata?

[Ragels]

In the recent post there was something mentioned about lack of, or possibly removal of tanking weapons.

Will there still be tank weapons since Defense as a stat is going away?
We will still make weapons with Stamina and perhaps hit on them. They may not be as valuable as tanking weapons are today without defense, but that's probably not a bad thing. We won't make a ton of them in any case since half the tank classes don't want them.

This makes it sound like tanks will be rolling against a bunch of DPS classes now, including other Warriors if they go through with an alternative to Titans Grip.

I personally love tank weapons, and do not know where they got the notion that tanks don't want tanking weapons. Not only do I like weapons that increase mitigation/avoidance, I really dislike having to roll against a bunch of DPS.

I would have posted this in the Warrior forums, since that is what I play, but this really concerns all tanking classes.


Thoughts on this? Would you like to use DPS weapons in Cata? Will there still be "Tank Weapons" with just a bit more Stam like they said in the blue post?

[kerwyn]

Welcome to what DK tanks have had to do since forever.

[Lightfist]

In the recent post there was something mentioned about lack of, or possibly removal of tanking weapons.



This makes it sound like tanks will be rolling against a bunch of DPS classes now, including other Warriors if they go through with an alternative to Titans Grip.

I personally love tank weapons, and do not know where they got the notion that tanks don't want tanking weapons. Not only do I like weapons that increase mitigation/avoidance, I really dislike having to roll against a bunch of DPS.

I would have posted this in the Warrior forums, since that is what I play, but this really concerns all tanking classes.


Thoughts on this? Would you like to use DPS weapons in Cata? Will there still be "Tank Weapons" with just a bit more Stam like they said in the blue post?

I guess he meant that Death Knights and Druids don't want them...which I don't get, because both of them still look for items that are itemized with Stamina and such.

[Indiglo]

Didn't realize Cata was out, must have missed the release... Seriously, stop making threads about what you have heard, nothing is final/done. And a the end of the post it said they won't make many, not none.

[Lightfist]

Welcome to what DK tanks have had to do since forever.

Tell you what, give me the ability to make any weapon into a tanking weapon, and I'll accept the trade.

---------- Post added 2010-06-27 at 05:01 PM ----------

Didn't realize Cata was out, must have missed the release... Seriously, stop making threads about what you have heard, nothing is final/done.

Yes, instead let's keep this forum solely about people asking for help because they're lazy fucks who don't want to read the guides that are stickied to class sections. Oh, and QQ post. Love the QQ post about stupid fucking shit. Oh, and rage post about what happened in the random dungeon finder.

[Deleted]

Afaik, DW DKs rolled on tank weapons, too.

Your argument fails...

[Lysah]

Afaik, DW DKs rolled on tank weapons, too.

Your argument fails...

Back at ilvl 200 maybe, they go for slow DPS weapons now, tank weapons can't do the required threat.

[deneweth]

I think they're removing tanking weapons so that warrior and pally tanks will want strength 1h weapons to justify making them for frost DKs and non-TG fury wars. I don't understand how this will work because agility weapons will be better for tanking.

[Ragels]

Didn't realize Cata was out, must have missed the release... Seriously, stop making threads about what you have heard, nothing is final/done.

It's a blue post. It's speculation, not saying I am going to throw a fit because of it, just wondering what everyone thought about it. Calm down.


But yeah, I guess that is what DK's and Druids have been dealing with. Both of those classes won't have as much competition as Paladins and Warriors if this goes through though. DK's would still only have to roll against other 2H classes, and Druids really only against other Druids and Hunters. Warriors and Paladins would have to roll against Rogues, Shamans, Hunters, DW DKs, other Warrior/Paladin tanks, and maybe even Fury Warriors.

It's not so bad, I mean everything gets around to you eventually, my main gripe would be them taking out weapons with tank stats on them.

[Bucky Mclachlan]

With as many options for weapons as we have in raids now I don't foresee this being an issue at all for Cataclysm. If anything it'll just be easier for tanks to get decent weapons since they don't have to itemize raids to include the already very few tanking weapons that dropped before.

But lets just completely ignore that because that really doesn't matter at all I mean did you fucking forget about REFORGING? Any god damn weapon can be itemized for tanking for the low price you have to pay to the NPC.

Think before you post OP. All of these changes are good. All of these changes give players a much more in depth way to customize their toons. We'll all get to have our cake and eat it too.

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[Ragels]

DW DK Tanks use slow DPS weapons, otherwise they can't hold threat.

[miguelito]

Welcome to what DK tanks have had to do since forever.

hmm...i never knew "forever" meant a year and a half ago

OT: it would seem that we will be rolling against melee dps, but i doubt there won't be a sufficient amount of +stam and +hit weapons for us to use

[Ragels]

I did think. I never said it would be hard to get a weapon, I was merely suggesting that it would be annoying to have to roll with a bunch of DPS, and then have to tank with a DPS weapon, it just feels awkward and sloppy by Blizzard.

---------- Post added 2010-06-27 at 09:10 PM ----------

That's it though. They said in the blue post that tanks won't want them anyway.

I think it will work out fine, it's just the fact that this seems lazy on Blizzards part, and just homogenizing weapons.
It's something when the players decide they want to do something sort of wacky, but to design it as such?

[BurningStick]

But yeah, I guess that is what DK's and Druids have been dealing with. Both of those classes won't have as much competition as Paladins and Warriors if this goes through though. DK's would still only have to roll against other 2H classes, and Druids really only against other Druids and Hunters. Warriors and Paladins would have to roll against Rogues, Shamans, Hunters, DW DKs, other Warrior/Paladin tanks, and maybe even Fury Warriors.

It's not so bad, I mean everything gets around to you eventually, my main gripe would be them taking out weapons with tank stats on them.

Eh, Hunters, rogues and shamans should probably NEVER (unless it is a huge dps upgrade) roll for warrior / dk / paladin weapons as they will be str based and rogues / hunters / shamans will be agi based.
I could be wrong though, who knows.

[Dassen]

I think they were just a bit unclear.
Defense isn't the only stat that makes a weapon a tanking weapon.

[Rust in Peace]

Well since the defense cap will be talented for all tanks why do you think you would need a tanking weapon? Now you'll just get better threat stats if they go through with it. Seems like win/win, no?

[Ragels]

I don't see the Agi issue being a huge deterrent for Str users, unless they do something similar to armor types to make them want to use Str.

I am hoping they were just unclear, but it seems to be what they mean. They were asked if tanking weapons would disappear, and they said that they were going to make weapons with Stam and maybe Hit. I hope they just forgot to mention Dodge/Parry/Block.

---------- Post added 2010-06-27 at 09:19 PM ----------

I know that they wouldn't really be required to tank, but I would rather tank with a weapon itemized for tanking instead of DPS.

I know they also mentioned that threat would be an issue, and perhaps this ties into that. In fact, this seems to be the reason they would do this. It would just seem strange to want DPS weapons as a tank, like it would for DPS to want a tank weapon.

[xGLxAnubis]

Healers roll against DPS for ALOT of their items (MH's, Staffs, OHs, Rings, Necks, Capes). What's wrong with tanks rolling against DPS for some of their pieces too?

[Maleia]

My guild has the worst of luck ever with tanking weapons. Literally, about 50 LK kills, 10 and 25 man combined across a few different toons total, my guild has seen 1 25 man, and 1 10 man weapon. Also 1 Sorthilas, and 1 of each of the 10 man ToGC10 weapons.

I'd like to see "tank" weapons go away, just so I can have a weapon keeping up with everyone else, and actually DO competitive TPS, although threat sounds like it won't be an issue with some of the mastery changes.

[Thundertom]

Awesome sig pic Ragels