Skill? GS?

[meroosher]

Every now and then I see the usual thread/post/comment about "Skill > GS".
I think this isn't true. Don't get me wrong, I'm against "if GS not 5.5k gtfo" and in favor of letting everyone raid and have fun, but I think what a lot of people say isn't true.

Let's examine the role of DPS in a raid.
There are three factors which affects the contribution of a DPS role:
1. Gear.
2. Rotation. (the spells he uses and when)
3. Knowledge. (tactics and whatnot)

Let's start with the least controversial:
1. Knowledge. It's not difficult to find everything you need to know about a certian boss/raid in the internet. Every idiot can use Google, wowwiki, etc.
So far, everyone could do that. No skill so far.

2. Rotation. This could fall under knowledge, but whatever. Anyway, if you level your character all the way to 80, you figure out along the way what spells are good and bad, and when to do what. If you couldn't figure that out, (which isn't hard) you can always Google it up. Again, not hard.
So far, everyone could do that. No skill so far.

Both of the section above can be learnt by anyone, it's not hard at all! That leaves us only with gear as the factor that affects how will the player contribute.

3. Gear. In order to get a good gear you must do heroics and raids. If a player knows the two factors above, he can reach that without any problems. As we saw, it's not hard to master a good rotation and get some information, so that leaves us only with the gear!

In PvE everything is already known, you don't even need to think, just do what the tactic says. The players know how the boss would react.

In PvP though, one must have skill, how your opponent will react is unknown, Therfore, you have to react by thinking fast, and doing the right action. In every combat, you have hundreds of possibilities, everything you do will affect the combat.

So, after examining that, skill = your reaction, the better you react the more skillful you are. If skill is in fact, your reaction, then in PvE it has no significance at all! The part which is concidered as your reaction in PvE is knowledge and rotation, which could be found on the net. You know what your opponent will do next, hence you know what to do next without even having the need to think of doing that.
In PvP, you can't know what your opponent will do next. You can try and predict it but you won't know it for sure. You will act according to the opponents actions, which aren't known to you!

Most of you will say "You have to know your class"... Comon... Read a bit, play a bit and your good to go.
Tanking is harder I must admit. Tank must have some skill because there will always be some unpredictable stuff: losing aggro. This would probably happen if the DPS didn't follow the tactic, which brings us to just reading... again.
Healing is also a bit harder than DPS, although all you do is throw some heals, throw a shield once in a while, and that does it.

You can flame me all you want, but you know it's true.

[Deleted]

go away

[Devonitar]

- Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
- The same thing we do every night, Pinky: begin a GS drama!

[Evilmoo]

2. Rotation. This could fall under knowledge, but whatever. Anyway, if you level your character all the way to 80, you figure out along the way what spells are good and bad, and when to do what.



and you think this a pve rotation?

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go away

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^this

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In PvP though, one must have skill, how your opponent will react is unknown"

ahahahahaha
made my day.

[Cracka_Bob]

the guild <Undergeared> would like to say hi

[Painted]

Yet people still stand in the fire due to no situational awareness.


Obvious Troll is Obvious

[Kärmä]

And you left out the carried people.

[Gameroon]

Actually, this guy is right.

go away

reason please?

[loveshack]

Its no exactly skill, its more of "dont be a dumbass and move your ass out of shit", which gear wont really do for you.

[Phailigy]

Obvious Troll is Obvious

^This.

[Hendrixstorm]

reason please?

Because we see 10 threads on this a day. Anyways, posting in a gearscore thread for postcount while others post the opinions that they believe to be new and groundbreaking.

[Deleted]

Look children, another thread that needs closing!

Horay!

[Sno]

i didn't bother reading the OP, it's most likly just some shitty thread debating as to how gearscore is good/bad or a comparison to skill again

/sigh

[taishar68]

Without flaming, it isn't true. This post is full of ignorance.

Go do a test; find a recipe online, distribute it to 10 friends and have them all cook it, and tell me if each dish tastes the same. Just because you read something on the internet does not mean you can instantly apply it, whether in WoW or anywhere else.

I ran a random yesterday, and had a ret pally in it who did <500 dps on the boss fights; he/she was gemmed, geared, specced wrong, had a bad attitude when I pointed it out, stood in fire and got sarcastic when I let them die in it. This person can get carried through heroics, make no effort to try to improve, join PuG's for weeklies and get carried there as well, and then boom, one day they show up with a 5K GS and you want them in your raid?

Reading between the lines you seem to be someone who really wanted to say PvP>Pve...it takes more skill to be better in PvP than in PvE, but it takes some skill to be good at PvE, in my opinion.

[Blizzyb]

Where can I google raid awareness?

[blizzardcashshop]

in pvp, people will skill and experience know EXACTLY what each class is gonna try to do to them next.

people without skill have to react. people without skill also kick at the flash heal juke, miss, waste an interrupt and then get slaughtered

pvp is VERY predictable if you know what is going on.

[Evilmoo]

Where can I google raid awareness?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=raid+awareness

[Shiggity]

In starcraft many players are measured by how many 'clicks per minute' they are doing. Professionals are insanely fast and average the highest.

I know 'clicking' is bad, but couldn't there be a mod created that measured how fast someone was using their global cooldown? Pro PvPers almost never waste even a single global cooldown (same with the best PvErs), while the slower 'bad' players waste many not doing something for multiple seconds at a time.

/2cents

[xionkarl]

PvP in WoW is LoL.

WoW PvP is not balanced by any means, if you think it is, you probably play one of the "fotm" or "faceroll" classes or compositions.

The bottom line is, people who take PvP seriously, don't play WoW. You can play WoW for it's PvP if you enjoy it, but it's not "real" PvP. The balance is so laughable that to even consider it real PvP is almost a blasphemy to any decent PvP game out there.

So if you think you're awesome and you have skill because you can RMP or some other faceroll comp to high ratings, you should try playing a real PvP game.

[meroosher]

Without flaming, it isn't true. This post is full of ignorance.

Go do a test; find a recipe online, distribute it to 10 friends and have them all cook it, and tell me if each dish tastes the same. Just because you read something on the internet does not mean you can instantly apply it, whether in WoW or anywhere else.

I ran a random yesterday, and had a ret pally in it who did <500 dps on the boss fights; he/she was gemmed, geared, specced wrong, had a bad attitude when I pointed it out, stood in fire and got sarcastic when I let them die in it. This person can get carried through heroics, make no effort to try to improve, join PuG's for weeklies and get carried there as well, and then boom, one day they show up with a 5K GS and you want them in your raid?

Reading between the lines you seem to be someone who really wanted to say PvP>Pve...it takes more skill to be better in PvP than in PvE, but it takes some skill to be good at PvE, in my opinion.

That is true. Seriously though, it doesn't take that much skill to raid. That palading is probably just lazy, dont care, can't read, etc. I didn't mean to say PvP>PvE, I added PvP as an example.