RIP Frost Tanking

[DarthDonut]

I really loved tanking as Frost.
Dual Wield tanking was (I thought) unique and kinda badass.
But what I really really will miss going into Cata is Acclimation.
It's such an insane buff. You could conceivably (not likely) have 225 resistance to every type of spell. At once.
So far it's still there for Frost pvp purposes, but I'll miss it as a tank.

SO enough of my QQ. What will you guys miss about Frost or Unholy tanking?
Or even Blood dps?
*edited for grammar and spelling*

[Ninjarobot44]

Blood dps has been fun and competitive with the other trees at some points throughout the expansion. I personally won't miss frost dw tanking because it has never been competitive with blood tanking. I think that may be part of the reason blizzard went with blood purely for tanking in cataclysm, along with the fact that it's hard to balance tanking possibilities for multiple trees without gimping dps for any of them at the same time.

[patrins]

acclimation had horrible uptime and was borderline worthless on anything that wasn't constantly pulsing aoe damage. And then on those pulsing aoe damage fights (mostly just BQL)the magic damage wasn't particularly a concern. you could argue it was useful for sindragosa (still not particularly high uptime) but the fact that unbreakable armor sucks dick and vamp blood is amazing canceled out any benefit of acclimation.

I sometimes tank as 2H frost and it hardly feels any different gameplay wise than blood other than having howling blast. oblits are just death strikes that don't heal.

[aether99]

My dk mainly tanked heroics, but it was always as frost. howling blast had great snap aggro.

however i disliked dualwield tanking mainly for aesthetic reasons (big guy in plate carrying two swords< big guyin plate carrying big twohander) so i just adjusted the spec accordingly.

im not too upset over the change though, my only concern will be bloods snap aoe aggro.

[Huntaer]

unholy ftw =P

[Sonic3421]

Eh, I always liked blood tanking. But hey its a matter of preference

[kerwyn]

My dk mainly tanked heroics, but it was always as frost. howling blast had great snap aggro.

however i disliked dualwield tanking mainly for aesthetic reasons (big guy in plate carrying two swords< big guyin plate carrying big twohander) so i just adjusted the spec accordingly.

im not too upset over the change though, my only concern will be bloods snap aoe aggro.

Bloodboil should fill that role nicely.

Never understood the obsession with howling blast for AoE tanking. In heroics I just drop a DnD, disease, pest, at which point I can alt tab because most DPS can't pull aggro off that.

[Babetina415]

You may love frost tanking,but healers don't like frost tanks.

[Deleted]

You may love frost tanking,but healers don't like frost tanks.

Idd lol. I tried frost as tanking, but I didn't like it and changed to blood. Ofc, because it is also good for the healer. =)

[hugztiem]

Never understood the obsession with howling blast for AoE tanking. In heroics I just drop a DnD, disease, pest, at which point I can alt tab because most DPS can't pull aggro off that.

That's 4 GCDs, followed by a lot of downtime, and most dps don't want to wait that long. I don't like to let people die, so it's frustrating when someone attacks too soon and pulls aggro. It's also a bit harder to chain pull when you need to wait for D&D. With howling blast, you can cast it right away for a lot of threat and then go about your business. Also, some folks just like to dual wield. I still prefer blood for tanking, but it has always been worse in AoE situations than frost or unholy.

[tyden49]

You may love frost tanking,but healers don't like frost tanks.

Based on what I dw frost tank and healer have no problem with it, I pull more threat than most tanks even when they are in better gear plus if you look at the logs for dmg taken I'm consistently lower than blood tanks all the time (ofc blood has the self healing) I'm around = with pallies and warriors on marrowgar which to me feels like the best fight to judge tanks because they are all taking the same hits.

[kerwyn]

That's 4 GCDs, followed by a lot of downtime, and most dps don't want to wait that long. I don't like to let people die, so it's frustrating when someone attacks too soon and pulls aggro. It's also a bit harder to chain pull when you need to wait for D&D. With howling blast, you can cast it right away for a lot of threat and then go about your business. Also, some folks just like to dual wield. I still prefer blood for tanking, but it has always been worse in AoE situations than frost or unholy.

If you're not speced morbidity as a tank you're doing it wrong. The problem with howling blast is it's absolutely abysmal non crit damage on targets without frost fever. D&D does great threat/rune over its duration whereas the threat on howling blast is all front loaded, about as much as 3 ticks of D&D but costs you 2 runes so you can then D&D and bloodboil, but have less consistant threat because you don't have 2 diseases ticking on every target. e: and bloodboil is terrible right now.

Basically, you pull with D&D every time, if it's talented you're fine. On single target just icy touch pull and do a standard DPS rotation and you're fine.

[ComputerNerd]

There should never have been tanking utility in the other trees in the first place.
Despite the novelty value, it soon became apparant that having tanking capability in all 3 treees was horribly imbalanced.
Blizzard realised that, and cataclysm gives them an opportunity to correct that major oversight in the class design.

[Daggy1111]

I actually really liked dw frost tanks, then only thing i didnt like was that they had no way to allow for dw dks to use tank weapons(because of speed). That ment that blood pretty much always has more health then you(plus they had v3w) and the self heals. Now im okay with blood being the only tank spec, i just wish they would put threat up in the first or second row of frost so unholy and blood would have a dw option.

[destructo]

I do not see why they do not go with a frost and blood dk tanking spec and then an unholy dps spec...considering how many people enjoy playing frost. (and no I am not biased as I blood tank)

[Cracka_Bob]

I really loved tanking as Frost.
Dual Wield tanking was (I thought) unique and kinda badass.
But what I really really will miss going into Cata is Acclimation.
It's such an insane buff. You could conceivably (not likely) have 225 resistance to every type of spell. At once.
So far it's still there for Frost pvp purposes, but I'll miss it as a tank.

SO enough of my QQ. What will you guys miss about Frost or Unholy tanking?
Or even Blood dps?
*edited for grammar and spelling*

*sigh* well here comes the flame war but....
my dk currently is a DW BLOOD tank :P

all i can say is... i enjoy it

---------- Post added 2010-07-25 at 03:10 AM ----------

I do not see why they do not go with a frost and blood dk tanking spec and then an unholy dps spec...considering how many people enjoy playing frost. (and no I am not biased as I blood tank)

i agree here... at least somewhat...

keep blood as it will be for cata: a tanking only tree.... and keep unholy as it will be for cata: a dps only tree

but keep frost as it is now: a tanking OR dps tree

[Exxile87]

Tanking with Acclimation? You're doing wrong, amigo.

That said, I too, shall miss Frost tanking a bit. It was always my favorite tank tree. I do, however, anticipate that Blood will be quite enjoyable. I've been tanking as Blood ever since it was announced that we'd be forced to come Cataclysm, and I must say that it's got a very unique feel to it. If they keep the tree looking like it does now when the expansion releases, I'll be very happy.

[Cracka_Bob]

Tanking with Acclimation? You're doing wrong, amigo.

That said, I too, shall miss Frost tanking a bit. It was always my favorite tank tree. I do, however, anticipate that Blood will be quite enjoyable. I've been tanking as Blood ever since it was announced that we'd be forced to come Cataclysm, and I must say that it's got a very unique feel to it. If they keep the tree looking like it does now when the expansion releases, I'll be very happy.

same here lol... i just miss the additional self healing from improved blood presence

[xnickybx]

Im gonna miss giving my dps warrior friend hysteria while I tank. I won't be able to sing Def Leppard lyrics over vent anymore... well, with good reason, anyway.

I won't miss trying to heal an entire party with aggro, since a dw frost tank is using fast weapons and can't hold aggro for shit. HB being good snap aggro is a myth.

[destructo]

Im gonna miss giving my dps warrior friend hysteria while I tank. I won't be able to sing Def Leppard lyrics over vent anymore... well, with good reason, anyway.

I won't miss trying to heal an entire party with aggro, since a dw frost tank is using fast weapons and can't hold aggro for shit. HB being good snap aggro is a myth.

Actually it really depends on the player at how well you will hold aggro...I know a frost dk tank who I ( with my destructo warlock main [even without destructive reach specced-20% threat reduction]) could not pull off of. He was not all that well geared, and I, as a destruction warlock could easily pull off of many other tanks (including paladins) if I did not watch my threat carefully. However, with him, he had absolutely no problem holding aggro off of me.