Holy Mastery.

[meatmissle]

yeah my mistake still he is basing his pvp experience from a time when ret was a decent arena viable spec.i dont think that he should be posting about pvp at all if that is the case...

did you read what he posted on the eu forums its just lol

[MortalWombat]

it is in fact a good argument notice how lvling as ret you could own any thing could even take on 3 or 4 people thats because no one had any resilience. same thing at the beging of wotlk here ill link this video you can go watch enjoy and see how op rets were when resilience wasnt what it is now i introduce to you the op ret in S7 when you said you were at 1800
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9fa...eature=related

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Did they really think popping wings and stuns 10 seconds in was worthy of being noted? I can understand a pvp video but when your info is along the line of "We pop wings and hope things die" you don't really need to tell us that. Lol@"Martyr sheep"

[archangelz]

yeah my mistake still he is basing his pvp experience from a time when ret was a decent arena viable spec.i dont think that he should be posting about pvp at all if that is the case...

did you read what he posted on the eu forums its just lol

Yeah, his/her slip up was admitting he/she had never done arena. Well news flash from someone who actually played at 2k as ret, ret is gimped and has been for the last 2 seasons.
Lol at saying "losing cleanse won't hurt that bad" or "The point of HoF is to remove the CC on you." No, the point is to remove it and make you IMMUNE for the duration. HoF will still be dispelled and spellstolen, there isn't anything stopping classes from doing that.

Advice, go do arena before you make silly statements about things you really don't know anything about.

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Did they really think popping wings and stuns 10 seconds in was worthy of being noted? I can understand a pvp video but when your info is along the line of "We pop wings and hope things die" you don't really need to tell us that. Lol@"Martyr sheep"

Tehseus is probably one of the best ret paladins there is, you know nothing.

[MortalWombat]

Yeah, his/her slip up was admitting he/she had never done arena. Well news flash from someone who actually played at 2k as ret, ret is gimped and has been for the last 2 seasons.
Lol at saying "losing cleanse won't hurt that bad" or "The point of HoF is to remove the CC on you." No, the point is to remove it and make you IMMUNE for the duration. HoF will still be dispelled and spellstolen, there isn't anything stopping classes from doing that.

Advice, go do arena before you make silly statements about things you really don't know anything about.

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Yeah, his/her slip up was admitting he/she had never done arena. Well news flash from someone who actually played at 2k as ret, ret is gimped and has been for the last 2 seasons.
Lol at saying "losing cleanse won't hurt that bad" or "The point of HoF is to remove the CC on you." No, the point is to remove it and make you IMMUNE for the duration. HoF will still be dispelled and spellstolen, there isn't anything stopping classes from doing that.

Advice, go do arena before you make silly statements about things you really don't know anything about.

You do know dispelling will cost a lot more mana right?

[meatmissle]

shows exactly what is wrong with asrial posting that paladins are fine, when well they are not. you see this bad played during the same time frame as those rets you see in the video so you can see how easy it is for him to assume that he was good at pvp.

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Yeah, his/her slip up was admitting he/she had never done arena. Well news flash from someone who actually played at 2k as ret, ret is gimped and has been for the last 2 seasons.
Lol at saying "losing cleanse won't hurt that bad" or "The point of HoF is to remove the CC on you." No, the point is to remove it and make you IMMUNE for the duration. HoF will still be dispelled and spellstolen, there isn't anything stopping classes from doing that.

Advice, go do arena before you make silly statements about things you really don't know anything about.


Tehseus is probably one of the best ret paladins there is, you know nothing.

was this directed at me?

[archangelz]

shows exactly what is wrong with asrial posting that paladins are fine, when well they are not. you see this bad played during the same time frame as those rets you see in the video so you can see how easy it is for him to assume that he was good at pvp.

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was this directed at me?

'Twas not. Was talking about asrailol.

You do know dispelling will cost a lot more mana right?

Point being? There couldn't possibly be a ret talent that decreased the mana cost.

[meatmissle]

haha k

[Qwayne]

puuuuuh ... wasn't this a discussion about HOLY Paladins and their HOLY mastery !!!

back to topic:
For now, this mastery seems kinda neat. I dont think that it will be that much affected by overhealing cause, you know healing a tank in cata to full all the time wont be really viable.

[Esrgoode]

Compared to the other healers, it's OP as hell. (Except maybe holypriest)

But I'd seriously rather see the other healers (Especially druid and shaman) get redone instead of this being changed.

as a resto shammy I am insanely jealous. For about 2 mins this morning I hovered over the create new char button..

Your heals scale with tank health.. someone bent the resto druids and shammies over a desk, and they did not provide Vaseline, so as the tanks get more health our specialist chosen subject becomes less powerfull..... great. Looks like its gonna be a great time to be a Palla.

Esr.

[Asrialol]

shows exactly what is wrong with asrial posting that paladins are fine, when well they are not. you see this bad played during the same time frame as those rets you see in the video so you can see how easy it is for him to assume that he was good at pvp.

Hm, that's weird, I just re-read my original post in that thread and nowhere did I find that I said Ret Paladins are fine. I just said that we don't need a gap closer. All the kids coming with "LOLCHARGE" and "LOLHOLYGRIP" ideas are just making things worse.

Point being? There couldn't possibly be a ret talent that decreased the mana cost.

Point being? There couldn't possibly be a ret talent that made HoF undispellable.

See what I did there? Anyway, let's not talk as if the current beta build and all is how Cata will be.

[archangelz]

Hm, that's weird, I just re-read my original post in that thread and nowhere did I find that I said Ret Paladins are fine. I just said that we don't need a gap closer. All the kids coming with "LOLCHARGE" and "LOLHOLYGRIP" ideas are just making things worse.



Point being? There couldn't possibly be a ret talent that made HoF undispellable.

See what I did there? Anyway, let's not talk as if the current beta build and all is how Cata will be.

Yeah, that could be a possible change as well, but he wasn't talking about HoF, derp.
And there have been some creative ideas on gap closers paladins could have, apparently you haven't bothered to look around the paladin forum.

[Asrialol]

Yeah, that could be a possible change as well, but he wasn't talking about HoF, derp.
And there have been some creative ideas on gap closers paladins could have, apparently you haven't bothered to look around the paladin forum.

On the contrary, I stay quite updated on the Paladin forums. Infact this and the general forum is usually the only forums I watch.

Personally I like the idea of Holy Power, and how it could be used for Defensive or Offensive purposes. Maybe a spell that increases your own movement speed by 20% and decreases your enemies by 20% for x seconds could be worth trying.

Anyway, this thread isn't about gap closers :< There's plenty of them around here. Brb Blitzball.

[Liam]

great idea

holy paladins need more healing utility rather than just raw healing, absorbs, HOTs and aoe heals etc.

[Forcelink]

WHERE IS OUR THREAD!!?? STOP RETJACKING THIS SHIT. PLEASE.
OT: After some thinking, I have a feeling the scaling will be 2:1, I mean, 1:1 is a bit... low...Although Id love to hear about avg mastery ratings of people in current beta, see how it looks. please post here or PM me

[St1ckman]

Quite happy with this change.

however....

Does this include the healing from the only judgment we have? Really hope not. If yes they please make the judgment effect only effect the pally's party. I really don't want to deal with groups again with holy pallys that just fight for judgments on the boss and kill people. And will this effect stack when cata comes out and not wait todo so in the next major patch after release like beacon was.......

On top of that how will the half transferred healing of beacon does now in cata, will the heal it does give the 8% shield? Only asking this because of the question with judgment. Will it only count direct heals? Much like beacon doesn't transfer our sacred shield hot. . ./ judgment

[Dezi]

Am i the only one who things they steal the cool part of priests what made them special?

[St1ckman]

Yes, you are.
Because they are not stealing their part.

aye we don't have to crit like they do to make it work =]

[Symz]

Holy is looking really nice for Cata so far. I usually roll ret, but I'm really pumped for the holy changes seen so far.

[Deleted]

Quite happy with this change.

however....

Does this include the healing from the only judgment we have? Really hope not. If yes they please make the judgment effect only effect the pally's party. I really don't want to deal with groups again with holy pallys that just fight for judgments on the boss and kill people. And will this effect stack when cata comes out and not wait todo so in the next major patch after release like beacon was.......

On top of that how will the half transferred healing of beacon does now in cata, will the heal it does give the 8% shield? Only asking this because of the question with judgment. Will it only count direct heals? Much like beacon doesn't transfer our sacred shield hot. . ./ judgment

I may be wrong, but I don't think it's actually live on beta, simply in the files somewhere, so can't be tested. The in game ui certainly shows mastery as NYI.

Can't be tested therefore, but I'd be very surprised if this applied to judgement (almost no procs / effects do). Beacon is a possibility.