Best dps hunter dps spec.

[tobimarsh]

Okay so I am, out of curiosity wondering what would end up being highest dps, survival or marksman. If both specs had their BiS ilevel 277's or whatever.

[Underskilled]

Marksmen. I think. With all the arp on gear, I'm gonna say MM.

[Gildian]

MM and if you can obtain ArP cap it gets quite a lead on the other two.

[Venziir]

MM, though MM is awfully boring compared to Surv, and the difference isn't that big.

[Faelz]

ww.mmo-champion.com/threads/693097-The-Hunter-Guide-%28FAQ-read-this-first!%29?p=7263129&viewfull=1#post7263129 "Survival is the best entry-level DPS raid spec at level 80, and a very competitive DPS spec alongside Marksmanship at high-end gear levels"

Honestly i've seen 6k gs's of both pull 12k+ so its honestly what you prefer

[Zalmar]

Tobi elitistjerks.com/f74/t30710-wotlk_dps_spreadsheet/

theres a spreadsheet

[dracco4heads]

MM does infact more dps at higer gear lvl's (due to the low arp scaleing for surv) however its very minior, do what ever you like.

Some ppl also say MM is boring, i dont quite agree, but W/E

[Shazzia]

BEAST MASTER D:
no, but it's MM

[SoulPoetry]

Best BM Template:

Total DPS: 13806,78
Hunter DPS: 9729,91
Pet DPS: 4076,88
AP: 10625
Crit: 68,70%
Hit: 100,20%
ArP: 1397
Shot Queue: KS/MS/Sp/SS
Wait Delay: 0ms
Spec: 53/14/4
Race: Orc
Pet: Raptor

Best MM Template:

Total DPS: 15383,36
Hunter DPS: 14008,85
Pet DPS: 1374,51
AP: 10750
Crit: 77,98%
Hit: 100,03%
ArP: 1397
Shot Queue: SilS/AiS/CS/KS/Sp/SS
Wait Delay: 800ms
Spec: 7/57/7
Race: Orc
Pet: Wolf

Best SV Template:

Total DPS: 13935,61
Hunter DPS: 12369,69
Pet DPS: 1565,92
AP: 12735
Crit: 83,54%
Hit: 100,14%
ArP: 1397
Shot Queue: KS/ES/BA/MS/Sp/SS
Wait Delay: 0ms
Spec: 6/14/51
Race: Orc
Pet: Wolf

source: http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t42519-b...k_spreadsheet/

[Deleted]

MM does infact more dps at higer gear lvl's (due to the low arp scaleing for surv) however its very minior, do what ever you like.

Some ppl also say MM is boring, i dont quite agree, but W/E

1450 DPS is not "minor".

[spiritbx]

ya but MM requires you to stand still, moving will delay steady shots and possibly autoshots, reducing dps by quite an amount.

[Lysah]

ya but MM requires you to stand still, moving will delay steady shots and possibly autoshots, reducing dps by quite an amount.

Good hunters will train themselves to reduce movement by being in the right places at the right times, and using tricks like disengage to cut downtime. MM is far better than the other two specs, if you think it's boring and want to play something else, it's incorrect to think SV is only "barely" behind, as SV is no better than BM, which is the spec everyone gives shit to for being so bad.

[Deleted]

Don't forget stutter steps to keep auto shot going off. Walk for 2 seconds - stop - auto goess off - repeat.

use an addon with swing timer to get used to it. Practice on ick when he does that.....thing.

[Thereign]

This thread is pretty common, and the even more common answer of Marksman. When ArP capped, it pulls ahead of any other spec.

[Vongimi]

Something I found interesting about the SV BiS list though....

ArP: 1397

This monstrosity of a stat is so good when stacked to the cap that even Surv uses it in the end >.< Cant wait till they remove it I think ArP is just annoying.

[glo]

Good hunters will train themselves to reduce movement by being in the right places at the right times, and using tricks like disengage to cut downtime. MM is far better than the other two specs, if you think it's boring and want to play something else, it's incorrect to think SV is only "barely" behind, as SV is no better than BM, which is the spec everyone gives shit to for being so bad.

This is largely incorrect.

Typically, 6k gs hunters will see at most a 800 dps difference between survival and marks on the spreadsheet. The gap between the two get even smaller during actual encounters because of movement. Your statement about "good hunters knowing how to move" is good advice, but completely irrelevant.

Moving, no matter which way, = decreasing steady shots. Steady shots are a -massive- amount of your dps when considering bleed damage. Survival on the other hand is far less dependent on being still, simply because of the mechanics of explosive shot, it's cooldown, an extra dot (black arrow), and the fact that you're using half the steady shots you use compared to marks.

Further, BM is so far behind both it isn't even funny. I'm not sure you understand the difference between a spreadsheet and actual real encounters. Just because a spreadsheet says "While standing still, such and such spec is able to climb up to X amount" doesn't mean that's what actually happens when you factor in target changing, moving, etc.

[Lysah]

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I'm not sure you understand the difference between good and bad hunters. See, here's the REAL difference between the pros and the...bads.

Pros = 95%+ of simulated DPS
Bads = 60% of simulated DPS

A "pro" hunter can do 15k as MM, he can also do 12-13k as BM, and 12-13k as SV. This is how they are simmed, and this is how they are played. If you play correctly, you can match an SV hunter as BM. If you play correctly, you can smash an SV and BM hunter as MM. That's why all the "pros" are MM, not SV. This "target swapping and movement ruining MM DPS" obviously does not apply to good hunters, or else they'd all be SV still.

I don't mean to be so crude, but the answer is literally in the numbers. Everyone is MM because it is the best. There are as many BM as SV hunters in raids because both specs are equally behind MM.

[Deleted]

According to World of Logs, on most encounters MM are 2-4k ahead of Bm or Surv.

[Acquiesce]

Good hunters will train themselves to reduce movement by being in the right places at the right times, and using tricks like disengage to cut downtime. MM is far better than the other two specs, if you think it's boring and want to play something else, it's incorrect to think SV is only "barely" behind, as SV is no better than BM, which is the spec everyone gives shit to for being so bad.

Such ignorance from a mod is shocking.

[Xerogravity]

Correct me if i am wrong but i remember a blue post saying Surv was about 1% or so behind MM but what do i know cause spreadsheetseez.