cata = wow2?

[Deleted]

i checked some new quests in cata
and some old quests
almost 30-40% of content is changed (items, quests,enviroment)
so the question is this : is Cataclysm an expansion like TBC/Lich/other expansions from games like Starcraft : broodwar , or is Cataclysm something else, like part 2 of a game (starcraft 2, red alert 2, etc)
because an expansion does not change the actual game, it adds new zones, missions, units
for exemple, you can play starcraft 1 (not the broodwar, just st 1 - the 10 missions with terrans, 10 zerg and 10 protos) and after broodwar was released, you could play broodwar, but the classic missions, unchanged as well.
in this case, you can NEVER play wow as it was before... the content will be removed, changed, etc.
which sucks in my opinion
Devillzard made a good game, but HUUUUGE!
I mean barrens is like fcking huge... and thinking at the time when you got mount at level 40... muahahah... that s serious walk dude
in my opinion, the guys who made first wow did a good job in the first zones : stormwind, elwin forest, westfall + deadmines
i think they worked 70& of the time at this zones
then they made the horde side... and just copy paste and changed some here and there
Then... they thought " LET's make a huge world to explore!" and they made other zones, huge zones, but they didn't worked too much to make the quests unique, or the mobs, or anything.
They did a LAUZY job... and they thought players will just swallow them!
And players did swallow them because the game was addictive...etc(but that's other story) even so, they were never favorites!
So now, after 5 years and a lot more billions of dollars, devvilzard thought "hey, dudes, mb we should finish those huge zones and make them good and intreating this time"
so wow cata is in my opinion a repair of the wow old that had sume huge minus
but i still think it suks
i mean, i like barrens how it is now... i like to enter after 10 years and watch crossroad and remember when i found my first green item!
instead of this i will se a huge CRATER!
i live in bucharest and in the 70s, some dude Ceaucescu began to make a new world... and demolish the old houses and build new flats
but the thing is... why don t you build new flats on an empty zone, and keep the old houses?

[Deleted]

What part of "Cataclysm" did you not understand?
Definition of CATACLYSM: a momentous and violent event marked by overwhelming upheaval and demolition; broadly : an event that brings great changes.

And yes, you can say that Cata is WoW 2.

BTW, comparing real life with a game.....

[Direfen]

Essentially its WoW 2, but its still considered an expansion.

[AlexGrey]

Conceptually, in many ways it does present us an entirely new game in many aspects...much more I'd say than BC and WOtlk even combined

[Quippi]

I'm pretty sure they finished the zones before the implemented them in Vanilla wow.. There are new zones, so yes it counts as an expansion too. Cata is a update of an old world with new mechanics and updated abilities.
Like your odd house analogy.. the houses were old so you strip them down and rebuild it from the bottom up, sometimes things need to change or the original needs a facelift.

[procne]

there were many games bringing in sequels less changes than cataclysm does as an expansion

[KeyserSoze]

there were many games bringing in sequels less changes than cataclysm does as an expansion

Read: Halo

[Pheno]

WoW 2 will be defined by an overhaul of the graphics engine.

[Samyaaza]

Wow 4.0 *cough*, now seriously it's just another x-pack.

[Deleted]

Its just another expansion..

[Xelu]

WoW 2 will be defined by an overhaul of the graphics engine.

I agree... new water (which is still scripted not physical) and godrays are not enough to call it WoW2 even if Cataclysm changes so much content... Don't forget that the changes apply to Azeroth only, not including Northrend...

[procne]

I agree... new water (which is still scripted not physical) and godrays are not enough to call it WoW2 even if Cataclysm changes so much content... Don't forget that the changes apply to Azeroth only not including Northrend...

i think that WoW2 will be defined by lack of possiblity of bringing chars from WoW1 (ie something like character reset), not graphical engine overhaul. Again, there are many games bringing less graphical changes in sequels than cataclysm does as an expansion.

Besides i see no reason why would someone make a sequel to succesful MMO. It just doesnt make sense to spend lots of time and effort building another game merely to transfer playerbase from old game to it. Wheres the profit? Any changes blizzard would like to add can be done with "expansions", along with overhaul of just anything. Its just much easier and cheaper than starting from scrap.

Games like guild wars may try going for sequels if the first game wasnt as succesful as they would expect

[Doctor Professor]

I think my IQ went down 3 points while reading original post.

[Cablecow]

I think my IQ went down 3 points while reading original post.

lol ^^^ THIS

[Ikarus]

It's an expansion , why? Because Blizzard said so.

[Encailla]

It is WoW 2 and it isnt. It is WoW 2 in the sense that the old world is changing but on the other hand it isnt as they have not taken away old dungeons etc. My definition of WoW 2 would be that they start a whole new Game World Of Warcraft 2 and you started from level 1 or what ever but there was entirely differtn lore behind it with different dungeons etc.

[Minders]

Technically the expansion cataclysm only adds new zones, new items and 5 more levels.
All the redone stuff is just part of the continued updating of the game. Even if you don't buy Cataclysm you still get to play around in the redone zones, use the new talent trees and play together with goblins and worgen.

[Pheno]

i think that WoW2 will be defined by lack of possiblity of bringing chars from WoW1 (ie something like character reset), not graphical engine overhaul. Again, there are many games bringing less graphical changes in sequels than cataclysm does as an expansion.

Besides i see no reason why would someone make a sequel to succesful MMO. It just doesnt make sense to spend lots of time and effort building another game merely to transfer playerbase from old game to it. Wheres the profit? Any changes blizzard would like to add can be done with "expansions", along with overhaul of just anything. Its just much easier and cheaper than starting from scrap.

Games like guild wars may try going for sequels if the first game wasnt as succesful as they would expect

I partially agree with this. Blizz will have to improve the graphics engine if they want to compete with the generation of MMO's on the way. They're already the vintage club on the block and they know it. However, the fact that they are the biggest club in town means that a few newer smaller clubs with a few gimmicks isn't going to hurt their bottom line. But a couple years down the road when someone opens up a club as big as theirs with a better atmosphere, better drinks and better girls, they got something to worry about. As long as they keep improving the graphics little by little with each new expansion, that may be enough to keep the smaller players at bay, at least for a while. This is why I don't really foresee a "WoW 2", but rather several marginal improvements over the course of many years. Unless some other mogul comes around and starts stealing subscribers left and right, a sequel makes little sense. As the saying goes that too many publishers try to defy "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I don't agree about the character reset, or the possibility of players not being able to transfer their toons to a "new" version of the game. Blizz knows how proud a lot of their subscribers are of their toons and how many slit wrists and waves of "I'M CANCELLING!" posts there'll be. The only way I can see this happening is if Bobby Kotick has a hand in it, but as long as Morhaime is at the reigns on the Blizzard side of things at Activision-Blizzard, I doubt it'll happen.

[Deleted]

The graphics are still sh*t so I would never consider it as WoW 2.

[Exclusive]

It's an expansion no matter what they do and don't change.
You have to install it on top of your existing game and upgrade your account.
A new game would go next to your existing game and you would be able to play it without owning the previous version.