You got your wish.

[ComputerNerd]

Looks like all those whining got their way.

Shadowflame no longer fears the targets.

Pity, because that was a much needed melee peel.

[Oraj]

Cant say I didn't see that coming.

[Deleted]

When you see warlocks in beta going on melee range on purpose, there is a problem.

[Deleted]

This is a horrible nerf.

With the shadowflame fear (THIS IS A 6 SECONDS HORROR EFFECT. 6 SECONDS.) Demo and Destro were doing fine in PvP, Affli was still struggling. I have no idea how they expect us to manage without compensating.

[Deleted]

This is a horrible nerf.

With the shadowflame fear (THIS IS A 6 SECONDS HORROR EFFECT. 6 SECONDS.) Demo and Destro were doing fine in PvP, Affli was still struggling. I have no idea how they expect us to manage without compensating.

6 seconds while you can insta soulfire, chaos bolt, immolate, conflagrate and chain a fear. Puff your target is dead.

[ComputerNerd]

When you see warlocks in beta going on melee range on purpose, there is a problem.

Particularly vs warriors we had little choice but to stay in melee range.
We do not have the toolset that hunters have for keeping at range, so we needed to do something about the gap closers, and resulting interruptions.
Unfortunatly that was to stick our face into the blender.

6 seconds while you can insta soulfire, chaos bolt, immolate, conflagrate and your target cant do anything.

How is that any different from stunlocks ?
It is not, yet people conveniently forget about those.

[Deleted]

This is a horrible nerf.

With the shadowflame fear (THIS IS A 6 SECONDS HORROR EFFECT. 6 SECONDS.) Demo and Destro were doing fine in PvP, Affli was still struggling. I have no idea how they expect us to manage without compensating.

talking about nerfs on something that isn´t even implemented yet on a beta build, which lvl cap isn´t even 85 is just ridiculously dumb...

[Macint]

As if warlocks didn't have enough fears?

[Endeavor]

This is a horrible nerf.

With the shadowflame fear (THIS IS A 6 SECONDS HORROR EFFECT. 6 SECONDS.) Demo and Destro were doing fine in PvP, Affli was still struggling. I have no idea how they expect us to manage without compensating.

Actually it's not a horrible nerf. Its a horror effect and currently horror effects do not break on damage. Make it a regular fear or maybe a SHORT duration root and its fine.

[Deleted]

So back to useless spell.

[Deleted]

Particularly vs warriors we had little choice but to stay in melee range.
We do not have the toolset that hunters have for keeping at range, so we needed to do something about the gap closers, and resulting interruptions.
Unfortunatly that was to stick our face into the blender.



How is that any different from stunlocks ?
It is not, yet people conveniently forget about those.

It is. You don't sacrifice anything when you Shadowflame, Shadowflame doesn't requires you to have 5 combo points on your target.

[Deleted]

talking about nerfs on something that isn´t even implemented yet on a beta build, which lvl cap isn´t even 85 is just ridiculously dumb...

You must be one pro prot pally if 6 seconds of complete incapacitation doesn't matter at all to you. Nah, it's clearly not a nerf. Lets not provide feedback at all. Let's wait til gold when it takes Blizzard about 50000% more effort to redo an error.

[Deleted]

Well sorry man,Warlocks weren't going to keep aoe Kidney Shot without combopoints.I made the first post ever about how this was the stupidest move the developers could make.Enjoy us warlocks being the most broken pvp class in Cata now.

[SuperShaggy]

It is. You don't sacrifice anything when you Shadowflame, Shadowflame doesn't requires you to have 5 combo points on your target.

And with HP pools larger, resilience, and CS sharing Diminishing Returns with KS "stunlocks" (Which I think this term was really only applicable in Vanilla and early BC) are for the most part useless. I can see opening with CS now only when your team is already ganging up on a target to just keep it from running.

[Kirkh]

I will paste here what i wrote in the previous shadowflame thread..

See? they removed the fear effect in the latest "Ninja" build... Happy now?
-Insert many random swears to all the ppl that were flaming for this to happen-, back to be a free honor kill QQ more.. :P

Althought they did buff Demo PVP aspect
" Aura of Foreboding (Tier 4) *New* - When your Hand of Gul'dan lands, all enemies within 4 yards will be rooted for 2/3 sec and stunned for the same duration if they are still within the Curse of Gul'dan aura 6 sec afterword."
and they did gave us some HUGE PVE buff
" Backdraft now reduces the casting time of Shadow Bolt, Incinerate, and Shadow Bolt by 10/20/30% for 15 sec. No longer has 3 charges."

Plus the ranges ++ and the AoE dmg++ that they give to all other ranged casters, i will QQ a lot for shadowflame.. Hope they will implemented as a new glyph..

[mafio]

Have you seen Backdraft? 15secs 30% increased casting speed on some spells... Conflagrate is 10sec cd
Just sayin'.

[Deleted]

Could just compensate with a 10yd fear aura around the warlocks. That'd balance things out.

[apepi]

So basically it is a bubble now?Great....

[Kirkh]

Could just compensate with a 10yd fear aura around the warlocks. That'd balance things out.

Oh, u r so funny! Look what have u done...

So basically it is a bubble now?Great....

U could learn to read better, but if we actually get a bubble thingy, Cloak of Skills is not a 6 seconds bubble for rogues??, and the Deflect thingy from hunters is not a 6 seconds bubble for them? And a warrior bladestorming is something we can stop??
For crying out loud, if u havent play a warlock agaiinst those classes stop saying things, they will be invalid
..

[Nabuza]

I want more beta nerf QQs. Things change. Just go to the official wow forums and (politely) inform blizzard at your disapproval towards this matter. Not saying you can't post your opinion here, but keep in mind this is not a feedback forum and for the most part you will get 10% of ppl who agree and 90% that will troll you.

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Oh, u r so funny! Look what have u done...



U could learn to read better, but if we actually get a bubble thingy, Cloak of Skills is not a 6 seconds bubble for rogues??, and the Deflect thingy from hunters is not a 6 seconds bubble for them? And a warrior bladestorming is something we can stop??
For crying out loud, if u havent play a warlock agaiinst those classes stop saying things, they will be invalid
..

O and you can still hit rogues that are cloacked (rarely, but possible) and your dots will still tick on a hunter if you put them on before they Deterrance (Yay free KB)