New Ret Mastery?

[Borigrad]

i'd be more happy to not see righteous vengence as a mastery, it should of never been removed to begin with... give us something new and unique, not something that is already in the game.

Edit: i butchered the first 5 words in this somehow and it made no sense

[Vasti]

We have enough RNG procs that if we get something like this we pretty much won't have a rotation. I would rather have something that like RV which procs a DoT or something that makes our attacks cause an extra holy damage.

RNG procs adds to give more situational choices and demands better reactions for optimal dps. So far what RNG do we have? Art of war which is almost 100% there when you need it and a chance to gain 1 HP from certain attacks.

Thats not alot of RNG.

Having a static rotation is boring anyway. 1,1,1,14,1,1,1,1,4,1,1,1,1,5, rinse repeat.....that is just mind numbing

A intiricate priority system is much more fun. One where you cant jsut mash buttons, because you dont have the HP or you need to spend the HP on something of great importance (inquisition) Thats a lot better.

[Vizardlorde]

i'm be'd more apply to not see righteous vengence as a mastery, it should of never been removed to begin with... give us something new and unique, not something that is already in the game.

blizzard is like an evil parent to us... they buy us new toys, let us play with them for a short time, and then burn them to see us cry!
On topic: i highly doubt they will give us righteous vengeance as a mastery... lets cross our fingers and hope its not garbage

[Vasti]

blizzard is like an evil parent to us... they buy us new toys, let us play with them for a short time, and then burn them to see us cry!
On topic: i highly doubt they will give us righteous vengeance as a mastery... lets cross our fingers and hope its not garbage

Seriously righteous vengeance as a mastery? That would suck utterly.
What is fun about a dot :S

Sure it gives more dps, but blizz will still nerf us if we do too much dps or buff us if we do too low. So dont say extra damage.

Automatically generated dots =/= fun

[Ronark]

Seriously righteous vengeance as a mastery? That would suck utterly.
What is fun about a dot :S

Sure it gives more dps, but blizz will still nerf us if we do too much dps or buff us if we do too low. So dont say extra damage.

Automatically generated dots =/= fun

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=76595 and http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=11119 say hi? Or the warrior's mastery which gives a chance at a 50% melee swing, it isn't "fun" in the sense that it is automatic and would go unnoticed without something like Recount.

[Deleted]

Honestly, I'm glad they're changing the mastery. A flat +% to Holy damage is kinda boring, don't you think?

Considering how much Holy damage we deal, I'd say NO, it would NOT be boring. Plus Holy damage is where the entire class idea is based on.

[Daos]

Considering how much Holy damage we deal, I'd say NO, it would NOT be boring. Plus Holy damage is where the entire class idea is based on.

Their major issue with the mastery seemed to be that it was kinda redundant with Inquisition, and that between the two of them they buffed our holy damage abilities entirely too much, putting them above even what is supposed to be our "best" melee attack, TV.

[zcks]

Their major issue with the mastery seemed to be that it was kinda redundant with Inquisition, and that between the two of them they buffed our holy damage abilities entirely too much, putting them above even what is supposed to be our "best" melee attack, TV.

Considering how clunky Inquisition was maybe they should have just removed it. We already had several RNG procs to handle as well asholy power to keep track of for Templar's verdict's & word of glory casts. Those things alone already made us take allot more skill & focus to handle then any other melee class.

[Deleted]

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=76595 and http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=11119 say hi? Or the warrior's mastery which gives a chance at a 50% melee swing, it isn't "fun" in the sense that it is automatic and would go unnoticed without something like Recount.

This is why i simply love your posts! QFT!

[zcks]

Seriously righteous vengeance as a mastery? That would suck utterly.
What is fun about a dot :S

Sure it gives more dps, but blizz will still nerf us if we do too much dps or buff us if we do too low. So dont say extra damage.

Automatically generated dots =/= fun

At least a holy dot would be something we would notice easily & would bypass armor unlike many of the new abilities we have (Templar's verdict says high to increased armor on everything) There is also the fact that it would not be yet another RNG based ability that is completely random since it would always happen on a given condition.

[Vasti]

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=76595 and http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=11119 say hi? Or the warrior's mastery which gives a chance at a 50% melee swing, it isn't "fun" in the sense that it is automatic and would go unnoticed without something like Recount.

And those spells may say "hi", heck they might even buy me a drink or two, but still. They are boring as hell. The only Dots that aren't boring are dots that you put on your target manually. Like the warlock dots.

The fact that it does holy damage adds nothing to the fact that Blizzard has a set % margin for our damage to be holy. If we are under that margin due to the mastery changing, blizzard will buff holy attacks and nerf physical attacks, and if we are over that margin, holy attacks will be nerfed and physicals will be buffed.

The new mastery actually requires you to pay some attention and somewhat intrudes on our playstyle, other then .....after a bossfight we say to ourselves: "Hey guys, I just found out Blizzard didnt Remove RV. I still do a Holy dot on my target, must be baseline now"- Other guildie: "No, its your mastery.....yeah most ppl dont know its their mastery becasue no one really notices it after 2 weeks into cata"

[Xeraluin]

Ehm we get a new ret mastery

Hand of Light
Your autoattacks have a 8% chance to grant Hand of Light, causing your next Holy Power ability to consume no Holy Power and to cast as if 3 Holy Power were consumed. Each point of Mastery increases the chance by an additional 1%.

http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/76672/hand-of-light/

Also on WoWhead

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=90174

they want us to want haste even more. i love it!

[Kawasaki.gdm]

Have to say I liked also. But again MORE RNG, this is going out of control.

We are the cassino spec: We have a % chance to be awesome or suck balls.

[Deleted]

Have to say I liked also. But again MORE RNG, this is going out of control.

We are the cassino spec: We have a % chance to be awesome or suck balls.

Not forgetting most of those are "on strike" so facing a caster... :/

[Panina]

niz

[Deleted]

As i posted in another thread about this..

I would rather see this;

Righteous Vengeance: When your Judgement, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Exorcism and Divine Storm spells deal a critical strike, your target will take 30% additional damage over 6 sec as holy damage. If Inquisition is active, the damage over time will occur 30% faster (increased further by haste effects ofc). Each point of Mastery Increases the damage by an additional 3%.

[Reith]

As i posted in another thread about this..

I would rather see this;

Righteous Vengeance: When your Judgement, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Exorcism and Divine Storm spells deal a critical strike, your target will take 30% additional damage over 6 sec as holy damage. If Inquisition is active, the damage over time will occur 30% faster (increased further by haste effects ofc). Each point of Mastery Increases the damage by an additional 3%.

And be even more dependent on critical strikes? No thanks. Also: Breaking CC without intention is not cool.

[Deleted]

And be even more dependent on critical strikes? No thanks. Also: Breaking CC without intention is not cool.

Judgement, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Exorcism will cause it.. That is 4 of the spells that WILL be used, that you won't skip at all.. So yes.. i don't see a problem with critical strikes..

[Xeraluin]

Judgement, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Exorcism will cause it.. That is 4 of the spells that WILL be used, that you won't skip at all.. So yes.. i don't see a problem with critical strikes..

but the thing is that many people don't like the retribution spec to be so crit dependent, i for one want haste. should my damage then be critically punished because of me not wanting crit rating. balance beetween stats is needed!!

[Deleted]

but the thing is that many people don't like the retribution spec to be so crit dependent, i for one want haste. should my damage then be critically punished because of me not wanting crit rating. balance beetween stats is needed!!

I see, But what i said was just a suggestion.. but for the love of god, please don't let the new model of mastery get to live, a spec that is RNG based is just lame :/