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    Tier 11 Set Bonuses
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

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    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Mage (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
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    Arcane
    • Arcane Blast now has its damage increased by 20% each time you cast Arcane Blast. Up from 15%.
    • Arcane Missiles now deals its damage every 0.75 sec over 2.25 sec instead of every 1 sec over 3 sec. Base damage reduced accordingly.
    • Focus Magic is now a Tier 6 talent, up from Tier 4.
    • Missile Barrage is now a 2 Ranks talent, down from 3 Ranks. Now causes your Arcane Missiles spell to fire its missles every 0.5/0.6 sec. (Old - 0.5/0.65/0.8sec)
    • Improved Arcane Explosion *New* - Reduces the global cooldown of your Arcane Explosion spell by 0.25/0.50 sec and reduces the threat generated by 40/80%.

    Fire
    • Flame Orb no longer has a cast time.
    • Living Bomb now only affects up to 3 enemies.
    • Pyromaniac is now a Tier 6 talent, up from Tier 4.
    • Combustion revamped - Instantly deals 954.57 to 1131.92 Fire damage and combines your Fire damage over time effects on the target into a single effect, burning for the same total damage for 10 sec. 40 yd range, Instant, 2 min cooldown.
    • Hot Streak is now a Tier 3 talent, down from Tier 4. Modified - Your spells no longer trigger Arcane Missiles. Instead, your critical strikes with Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Scorch, or Fire Blast have a chance to cause your next Pyroblast spell cast within 15 sec to be instant cast and cost no mana.
    • Improved Hot Streak *New* - Any time you score 2 non-periodic critical strikes in a row with your Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Scorch, or Fire Blast spells, you have a 50/100% chance to trigger your Hot Streak effect.
    • Molten Shields is now a Tier 4 talent, up from Tier 3.

    Frost
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    Last edited by Swizzle; 2010-09-10 at 01:09 AM.
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    That's nice, a greater chance of proccing Hot Streak when low on crit (i.e. at the start of the expansion).

    I'll miss spamming Living Bomb + Pyroblast under big AoE pulls, though

    EDIT: Also, we now have dedicated AoE for all three specs if we want to. I guess that's kind of nice.
    Last edited by MushroomBomb; 2010-09-10 at 01:15 AM.

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    [*]Living Bomb now only affect up to 3 enemies.


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    As many may say or already have said, the tier bonuses seem really good to me. I actually think that the cast time reduction is awesome and well-combined with the Masteries of each spec.

    The new Living Bomb is some kind of reduction to the spell? But as I assume, it definetely matches with the Pyromaniac Talent.

    I didn't get the Hot streak modification. I think it is not needed.

    We get one more dmg cd, Combustion (correct me if I am wrong.)

    Also the Arcane Explosion and generally the AoE influencing talents/spells are getting somehow buffed I think. Does this mean that we are going to have many AoE fights in Cata?

    And do we get a little buffed? Or is it my idea...


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    if i'm reading the tool-tip right, then you can still spam LB on infinite targets, but the explosion from each will only hit 3 nearby targets.

    my MAIN problem with our 4 piece bonus is that it's the warlock 2 piece bonus, but their 4 piece is interesting while ours is just rehashed t9. meh, entry level tier for entry level raid where new mechanics are being worked out i suppose. still, leaves much to be desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    if i'm reading the tool-tip right, then you can still spam LB on infinite targets, but the explosion from each will only hit 3 nearby targets.

    my MAIN problem with our 4 piece bonus is that it's the warlock 2 piece bonus, but their 4 piece is interesting while ours is just rehashed t9. meh, entry level tier for entry level raid where new mechanics are being worked out i suppose. still, leaves much to be desired.
    I agree. Seems very vanilla but still will make set bonuses worth it, which some classes historically couldn't always say.
    Last edited by Methusula; 2010-09-10 at 01:20 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    if i'm reading the tool-tip right, then you can still spam LB on infinite targets, but the explosion from each will only hit 3 nearby targets.
    It's a little hard to say, because we have two different tooltips. We have the one linked in this thread, and then there's the version that we can see is currently on the talent tree. The one on the talent tree states "Limit 3 targets." as the final line, underneath everything about the explosion only hitting 3 targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MushroomBomb View Post
    It's a little hard to say, because we have two different tooltips. We have the one linked in this thread, and then there's the version that we can see is currently on the talent tree. The one on the talent tree states "Limit 3 targets." as the final line, underneath everything about the explosion only hitting 3 targets.
    Yeah would be nice to have beta to be able to sort some of this crap out myself.

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    Anything that increases hot streaks proc chance I approve of

    Living bomb nerf was somewhat expected (if it indeed only affect the explosion), I mean our aoe with impact was ridicoulus, so it was either nerf LB or nerf impact

    pyromaniac changed to 2% haste.... wow... 2 points you dont have to worry about taking now

    as for arcane, its really only arcane explosion that got a real change, would have preffered increased radius or some form of range mechanism to it instead

    all in all its arcane who still needs most work

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    i'm worried about how Living Bomb is going to turn out....just have to wait and see...and they make Curtain of Frost even more Useless then before..wow i didn't think it was even possible
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    Well I can't think of too many times that I need living bomb on more than 3 things besides when I'm plowing through trash anyways and my dps is rather irrelevant.

    Nice to see SOMETHING for arcane explosion and spamming explosions that fast will be very awesome looking.

    Tier bonuses lack luster, the difference between our 4 pc and the lock 2 pc is that locks are chain casting the listed spell much less often than we are chain casting the ones we get increased speed for so it will be relatively close I suppose.

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    the fact that FFB was included in the list of spells affected by the bonus leads me to believe it will be worked into the frost rotation when frostburn is up.
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    I don't totally understand the point of the new Combustion, besides not being a free crit or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    the fact that FFB was included in the list of spells affected by the bonus leads me to believe it will be worked into the frost rotation when frostburn is up.
    For me, it sounds more like they will give us the choice between Fireball and Frostfirebolt as the main nuke of the fire-tree.
    Working it in the frost rotation as a spell non-instant spell would be somewhat silly at the moment, since we are proccing fingers of frost/brain freeze like crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koltak View Post
    For me, it sounds more like they will give us the choice between Fireball and Frostfirebolt as the main nuke of the fire-tree.
    Working it in the frost rotation as a spell non-instant spell would be somewhat silly at the moment, since we are proccing fingers of frost/brain freeze like crazy.
    why would it replace fireball? there's really no talents that specifically prop up or support FFB, especially with fireball's reduced cast time, whereas frost's whole schtick is weaving other spells in during frostburn.
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    Am I the only one interested in combustion? Seems like a pretty cool mechanic if you can keep it rolling in addition to your other DoTs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foibles View Post
    I don't totally understand the point of the new Combustion, besides not being a free crit or two.
    The new fire spec puts up various fire dots and combustion combines them all into one so you can reapply new ones to tick at the same time, thus giving a little more dps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    why would it replace fireball? there's really no talents that specifically prop up or support FFB, especially with fireball's reduced cast time, whereas frost's whole schtick is weaving other spells in during frostburn.
    Yeah, but on the other hand, there is also no talent, that improves only your fireball. I expect, that one of these spells will be buffed with glyphs depending on what you prefer. Also, take a look into Hot Streak, FFB is one of the spells able to proc it.
    As for frost, with the proc rates right now, we are just casting a few frostbolts in between these.
    Last edited by Koltak; 2010-09-10 at 06:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguirrel View Post
    The new fire spec puts up various fire dots and combustion combines them all into one so you can reapply new ones to tick at the same time, thus giving a little more dps
    Ok, that's what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure. Thanks.

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    I don't understand why Hot Streak was split into two separate talents while remaining substantially unchanged. The only explanation I can come up with is that people at low levels don't have a high enough crit chance to score two critical strikes in a row, and Blizzard probably wanted lowbies to enjoy the fun of instapyros.

    Don't like the Living Bomb change, although from the tooltip it seems that it can still be cast on as many targets as we want, but the final explosion will only affect up to 3 targets. Will test it on the beta as soon as the EU realm is up.

    Liking the new Combustion, by the way. Casting it when Living Bomb+Ignite+Pyroblast dot are up (am I missing other dots?) should provide an interesting damage boost, even more so if Living Bomb is recast and then spread to nearby targets (Impact) together with Combustion.
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