Are things really as bad as they sound for ret?

[Ryoten]

I'm hearing all sorts of scarry things from the PTR that ret cant compete in dps. That things are back to pre-tbc. Now, im not a pvper so i don't really care about that are. I'm more concerned about PvE.

[NotValidAnymore]

By "PTR", I'm guessing you mean the Beta, since on the PTR you can't copy your own characters yet.

[Sy]

balancing hasn't really started by now. it's still beta/ptr. seeing how classes/speccs can compete with each other and adjust them accoringly is the whole point of the ptr.

so if rets do to less/much damage, blizzard will not let them stay that way (at least not for lvl 85 raids).


edit:
oh and keep in mind that paladins probably changed more than every other class. and they became way more complex to play. that may be the reason for a lot of (relatively) "bad" players complaining about low dps.

[babyback]

By "PTR", I'm guessing you mean the Beta, since on the PTR you can't copy your own characters yet.

Ofc you can, or could since its down now. I copied mine yesterday

[Zkeya]

Yes retribution will go back to it's former (tBC) glory.


Beta isn't over yet and numbers still need tuning.We still don't know when Cataclysm will be released, we just have speculations.
I'd wait till Blizzcon (when the release day will probably be announced) and then start to be concerned about numbers.

[Shadowviper]

Actually have my character on the PTR right now. Did it the night it was announced

[EreWH]

I've heard Ret is somewhere at the top right now.
Also, Beta is beta. Last time I heard numbers weren't optimized yet.
Stuff will be adjusted according to needs.
Ret has an actual rotation now, and TV will hit for 32k with a 3-stack buff up (Forgot the name). That's Blizzard's target. You'll need 6 Holy Power total on a normal rotation for this to work, but Ret's dps on longer fights will be fine. On short fights it's a 3stack DS (Since those are usually AoE anyway.)

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Ofc you can, or could since its down now. I copied mine yesterday

Can't on EU for some insane reason.

[Dion04]

It wasn't that bad pre bc until Naxx. There were alot of pallies in top 10 raid dps until naxx which didnt have a ret set so it became harder to keep up. It was just that holy was so imba awesome. It was so imba you didnt even have to spec it to top heal meters so it was hard to for nonpallies to see a pally as dps since it was almost impossible to be #1 dps, but easily #1 healer.

However I havent been paying attention to ptr/beta at all.

[Megabloks]

I could barely manage 5k DPS on the dummies. Sure I haven't raided since March, but still.

[JohnnyTKF]

Good. and hopefully they'll nerf pvp two, not very fair having to kill a pally twice when they hit and heal for tons.

I can't believe no one quoted you, care to explain that? Because ret is NOT Op now, unless of course, you suck. No really dude, ret isn't good now in PvP, we will be getting some improvements in Cata, and shut up about burst, you QQ'ers nerfed bubble, and every class has atleast 70k HP in Cata, so shoosh.

[EreWH]

I can't believe no one quoted you, care to explain that? Because ret is NOT Op now, unless of course, you suck. No really dude, ret isn't good now in PvP, we will be getting some improvements in Cata, and shut up about burst, you QQ'ers nerfed bubble, and every class has atleast 70k HP in Cata, so shoosh.

Yeah, currently Ret has to run from anything with a mana bar.
People only remember the 24 hours of 3.0.

[Deleted]

I can't believe no one quoted you, care to explain that? Because ret is NOT Op now, unless of course, you suck. No really dude, ret isn't good now in PvP, we will be getting some improvements in Cata, and shut up about burst, you QQ'ers nerfed bubble, and every class has atleast 70k HP in Cata, so shoosh.

I didnt say they were hard to kill or OP, its just a pain in the ass killing you twice when i can be killing more annoying things nice friendly reply though, makes me feel right at home, ta for that

[Deleted]

I hope numbers get fixed - that video with a hunter's pet vs 1 ret paladin was really disturbing.

[Munk]

I cant speak for the beta but the ptr...

The reason for my frustration is that I went from doing 8k in heroics to 4-5k overall and instead of 10-13k on bosses to 5k because you just cant build HP fast enough to use TV nukes.

I may not be the best ret around but I'm by no means a bad pally and I've spent a fair ammount of time working on my new rotation on the PTR.

My worry isnt that ret wont be competitive its that just like we are now were only competitive on certain fights and whats worse is that it FEELS (based on the ptr) the problems we have now will be exagerated in Cata as were not only limited to being able to stack a debuff but also being relient on a secondary resource to stack being Holy Power.

With the raise in skillcap NEEDS to be a raise in the damage potential. Unless we end up being substantially stronger than all other classes on single target stand and nuke fights we need to have increased damage potential on fights requiring target swaps and significant movement.

[Deleted]

It wasn't that bad pre bc until Naxx. There were alot of pallies in top 10 raid dps until naxx...

are you sure you didnt take your numbers from some private server that uses actual talents instead of the old ones?
paladin damage was a joke, thats why they were named loladins.
it was hard to ever get the gear needed to deal even decent damage (as warriors were always superior of course) and the sets were designed for healing(well actually, that simply was the most useful thing to do with an item that had nearly all stats on it xD).

priests, druids, paladins and shamans were only meant to heal in a raid, but not deal (decent) damage.
of course there were exceptions but overall all other classes were superior in terms of damage dealing.

back on topic: as written above paladins are now more complex to play, in terms of difficulty they might be similar to a combat rogue or a kitty that ignores the bleeds^^, meaning still not too hard to play, but most people will need some time to adjust the way they play their class.
its sure to say though that they are really less "bursty", which isnt a bad thing for pvp.

[JohnnyTKF]

I didnt say they were hard to kill or OP, its just a pain in the ass killing you twice when i can be killing more annoying things nice friendly reply though, makes me feel right at home, ta for that

What do you expect? Me and every other paladin have had enough of people "Trolling" ret saying "lul iz OP" or QQ'ing because of Bubble, just so you know, it's getting nerfed, and if YOU can kill us twice with ease, then YOU should be nerfed, am I right? Glad they are making ret a bit more useful, hope losing Dispel doesn't kill it. Besides, you said we hit and healed for tons, so that means we are either OP or imba (Same meaning I think, imba is imbalanced).

[Dion04]

it was hard to ever get the gear needed to deal even decent damage...

I agree, that was the single hardest barrier.

[Zelerena]

when i did dps on the dummies on my 80 ret pally..I wasnt doing near enough damage to even count to be in a raid even icc.

Its pretty sad when ret has been nerfed into the ground. That was their whole thing..and they finally did it. No more facerolling fellow paladins :P

[Deleted]

What do you expect? Me and every other paladin have had enough of people "Trolling" ret saying "lul iz OP" or QQ'ing because of Bubble, just so you know, it's getting nerfed, and if YOU can kill us twice with ease, then YOU should be nerfed, am I right? Glad they are making ret a bit more useful, hope losing Dispel doesn't kill it. Besides, you said we hit and healed for tons, so that means we are either OP or imba (Same meaning I think, imba is imbalanced).

Its not hard to heal tons in a bubble and im not OP, i just make the best use of my class

[Chaotiz]

Supposedly everything is balanced for 85 so I'm not too worried... yet. The problem with ret at 80 is that you can't use Inquistion and you can't stack mastery to make Hand of Light more useful.