Holy Light, too long too little

[Unferth]

Title pretty much says it all. (too long, too little I meant dammit, cant edit the title)

This is for the current PTR:
For Holy healing, Holy Light has a crazy long cast time for something that heals so little. And used with Beacon of Light? Forget it, its like 5K heals on a 60K tank, and the mobs are hitting much harder on the ptr. They gave mobs in 5 man WotLK heroics a big expertise, hit and Attack Power bonus.

I know HL costs almost nothing, my mana regens 100% the cost within the cast time of the previous HL, but I almost had a tank die in the space of waiting for a HL to finish casting.

Keep the power the same, but the cast time definitely needs 1 sec base cut off it.

Plus Divine Plea, the healing debuff definitely needs to be removed considering DP got a double nerf: from 1 min to 2min cooldown, and from 25% to 10% mana regen.

[Alenko]

you also have

Divine Light
Flash of Light
LIght of Dawn
Holy Shock
and once cata comes Radiance

learn to use them all correctly and you wont have a problem...

[Luzkaz]

I believe the OP is stuck in the Warth Hpally mindset. You cant just spam Holy Light and keep a tank on 100% HP

[Egitel]

you also have

Divine Light
Flash of Light
LIght of Dawn
Holy Shock
and once cata comes Radiance

learn to use them all correctly and you wont have a problem...

What he said.

[zcks]

As was said above, if you keep the 9% haste buff up and use holy shock whenever you can do boost the speed of holy light casting further you can do wonders for making it a very short cast time.

Also you have to remember with the way holy light works in ptr on beta it is no longer our huge long cast heal, it can be reduced a decent amount by other spells/abilities but it is a medium power low cost heal.

You may also want to change your glyphs from what they are on live.

Another thing to remember is that avoidance for tanks is much more valuable now then it is on live due to it being reduced & the amount of stamina/health everyone (including tanks) have being increased.

[shotter]

Plus Divine Plea, the healing debuff definitely needs to be removed considering DP got a double nerf: from 1 min to 2min cooldown, and from 25% to 10% mana regen.

thats too much. cant agree on holy light though if its mana regeneration is so fast... i mean you heal with no mana cost

[o_0]

you also have

Divine Light
Flash of Light
LIght of Dawn
Holy Shock
and once cata comes Radiance

learn to use them all correctly and you wont have a problem...

They style of healing that everyone has to be full is going away somewhat just takes a bit getting use too.But pretty much we have alot of other utilities .

[Abandon]

Title pretty much says it all. (too long, too little I meant dammit, cant edit the title)

This is for the current PTR:
For Holy healing, Holy Light has a crazy long cast time for something that heals so little. And used with Beacon of Light? Forget it, its like 5K heals on a 60K tank, and the mobs are hitting much harder on the ptr. They gave mobs in 5 man WotLK heroics a big expertise, hit and Attack Power bonus.

I know HL costs almost nothing, my mana regens 100% the cost within the cast time of the previous HL, but I almost had a tank die in the space of waiting for a HL to finish casting.

Keep the power the same, but the cast time definitely needs 1 sec base cut off it.

Plus Divine Plea, the healing debuff definitely needs to be removed considering DP got a double nerf: from 1 min to 2min cooldown, and from 25% to 10% mana regen.

The point of Holy Light isn't that it is is fast or that it heals for amazing amounts, the point is it's mana efficency. All healing classes have been given a "medium" heal, something such as the Heal spell for Priests which is used between Flash Heal for emergencies, and Greater Heal for massive damage.

If your tank is dying because you are spamming Holy Light, you should have cast a bigger heal, or two fast heals. Lowering the cast time by a second would completely remove the entire point of the spell, which is as a filler which helps your mana efficency you can use when people are not taking a lot of damage.

[halmotors]

All these people complaining that Holy paladins suck now, and I'm willing to bet not one of them is using their entire healing kit to keep people alive.

[Apok101]

Healers are now realizing the difficulty of TBC and classic healing! no more 1 button healers!!!!!!!!

[tjanson]

Healers are now realizing the difficulty of TBC and classic healing! no more 1 button healers!!!!!!!!

The irony of this is absolutely astounding. Holy paladins and Resto shamans in TBC hit one button.

Edit: Are any of you actually healing things on the PTR? Anyone who's giving him crap about his comment? It sure sounds like you're just parroting the blizzard standard line.

[Ronark]

As Abandon said, Holy Light is meant to be a medium cast, mana efficent heal- This is the go-to heal for when things are light (i.e. your group is killing that trash pack and 3 of the 4 mobs are dead so the tank is taking less damage).

[halmotors]

Edit: Are any of you actually healing things on the PTR? Anyone who's giving him crap about his comment? It sure sounds like you're just parroting the blizzard standard line.

And yet it's still true.

[Apok101]

The irony of this is absolutely astounding. Holy paladins and Resto shamans in TBC hit one button.

Edit: Are any of you actually healing things on the PTR? Anyone who's giving him crap about his comment? It sure sounds like you're just parroting the blizzard standard line.

Funny, i thought it was 2-3 for pallies. i did play a rogue main during the TBC era, and didn't do much healing outside pvp on my pally.

[AlexGrey]

Reading the OP's post makes me so happy, I'm looking forward to a world where healing won't be monotonous.

I've played a Holy pally over 2 and 1/2 years and lemme tell ya spamming H. Light gets old. For all of you new Pallies out there worrying about the changes your class is about to receive: Fear not! it is a new beginning and you will see that you will enjoy the new choices and challenges presented to you!

---------- Post added 2010-09-14 at 05:09 AM ----------

As Abandon said, Holy Light is meant to be a medium cast, mana efficent heal- This is the go-to heal for when things are light (i.e. your group is killing that trash pack and 3 of the 4 mobs are dead so the tank is taking less damage).

Sort of like a filler, or a carefully timed/planned heal if you know the encounter or are just very intuitive.

[tjanson]

Funny, i thought it was 2-3 for pallies. i did play a rogue main during the TBC era, and didn't do much healing outside pvp on my pally.

You pretty much only used Flash of Light. Obviously, if that's all you cast, and not your utility spells you were pretty scrubby, but as far as pure healing went, you could go just fine with Flash of Light up until Sunwell. All I'm saying is that you did more in WotLK than you ever did in TBC as a holy paladin. Beacon, Sacred Shield, and Judgements of the Pure certainly aren't hard to keep up, but they didn't exist pre WotLK.

And yet it's still true.

Is it really? Do you know that from experience, or are you just throwing it out there? I just like how the OP complained about tank healing issues, and people say "LOL USE LIGHT OF DAWN AND HOLY RADIANCE" as if that will help him out. You don't use "your entire kit" to keep tanks alive. Nobody tells priests to use Circle of Healing or Druids to really Wild Growth the hell out of the tanks.

[Ronark]

Reading the OP's post makes me so happy, I'm looking forward to a world where healing won't be monotonous.

I've played a Holy pally over 2 and 1/2 years and lemme tell ya spamming H. Light gets old. For all of you new Pallies out there worrying about the changes your class is about to receive: Fear not! it is a new beginning and you will see that you will enjoy the new choices and challenges presented to you!

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Sort of like a filler, or a carefully timed/planned heal if you know the encounter or are just very intuitive.

Basically- since you actually GAIN mana basically from casting it.

[Rivin]

But if our 'to go' heal is too slow and too little, then we might have a problem though if it can't keep people up in wotlk-heroics.

Are you talking about on the PTR? Because right now mob damage on the PTR is much higher than it's supposed to be.

[Deleted]

Because right now mob damage on the PTR is much higher than it's supposed to be.

Have the Blues said so?

Cause I think it's intended, as Blues have stated that:

Creature damage output has been increased from roughly level 65 and up. These increases scale upward with level.

[Deleted]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me.