Ret Cataclysm rotation

[Ryoten]

Can someone please explain how the rotations now work for ret on the PTR or Beta? I noticed TV and DS both use Holy Power. What is the priority on these abilities? Obviously 1 can only dedicate holy power to either TV or DS.

[Ronark]

So far it is priority based, which looks like:

Inquisition > TV > CS > Exo > Judgement > HW

Im not 100% sure where HoW is in the rotation, since I am not on Beta and don't have access to Inquisition.

[Ryme]

Never played beta but DS is AoE ONLY now, so don't worry about it.

[Deleted]

Ret paladin doesn't have a rotation, it has a priority list.

Keeping inquisition up is going to be your main priority, and then basicly hit the strongest ability available at that moment.

Edit: Of course building up holy power is your second priority, to keep those hard hitting VT's coming.

[Prentice]

Ret paladin doesn't have a rotation, it has a priority list.

Keeping inquisition up is going to be your main priority, and then basicly hit the strongest ability available at that moment.

I am still wondering if this will be true. With Seals and Exorcism nerfed and Consecration being out of the question, is a gaining the Inquisition buff worth more than the loss of a TV every 30 seconds?

EDIT: Oh, and judgement hitting as hard as a fall breeze.

[Deleted]

I am still wondering if this will be true. With Seals and Exorcism nerfed and Consecration being out of the question, is a gaining the Inquisition buff worth more than the loss of a TV every 30 seconds?

EDIT: Oh, and judgement hitting as hard as a fall breeze.

With the ret mastery you have a xx% chance to cast an ability that costs holy power for free, as if it has 3 charges. On beta it seems to procc fairly often, this way keeping up Inquisition isn't hard, and is in most cases not a DPS loss.

[Prentice]

With the ret mastery you have a xx% chance to cast an ability that costs holy power for free, as if it has 3 charges. On beta it seems to procc fairly often, this way keeping up Inquisition isn't hard and not a DPS loss.

But what exactly are you buffing?? 30% holy damage increase for what?? Is that enough to account for the loss of a TV? I haven't spent a lot of time on the PTR, but holy damage seemed to be a very small percentage of my damage. Is it worth losing the 10-ton hammer just to buff 20% of my damage by 30% for 30 seconds?

[Ronark]

I am still wondering if this will be true. With Seals and Exorcism nerfed and Consecration being out of the question, is a gaining the Inquisition buff worth more than the loss of a TV every 30 seconds?

EDIT: Oh, and judgement hitting as hard as a fall breeze.

I'd wait for the Damage pass- Right now, Exorcism, Judgement, and HW are all very lack-luster in terms of damage even with Inq.

[iktankniet]

it really strikes me odd that they changed the values of Exorcism dmg, but other classes keep their high dmg attacks *pondering face*

[Prentice]

it really strikes me odd that they changed the values of Exorcism dmg, but other classes keep their high dmg attacks *pondering face*

Had it not been for the mastery and Inquisition, they probably would have left Exorcism alone. That spell double-dipping is likely why they re-tuned it. They needed to get an idea of what it would look like with and without Inquisition in the absence of the mastery.

[Deleted]

But what exactly are you buffing?? 30% holy damage increase for what?? Is that enough to account for the loss of a TV? I haven't spent a lot of time on the PTR, but holy damage seemed to be a very small percentage of my damage. Is it worth losing the 10-ton hammer just to buff 20% of my damage by 30% for 30 seconds?

Hhhmm, you might have a point over there, I never bothered to look at how much of my damage was holy damage. And I just saw exorcism was nerfed to the ground, in the previous beta build that was the hardest hitting move which gained a huge benefit from inquisition. Guess Inquisition isn't a big deal anymore. :<

[Ronark]

Now that I think about it, I would assume HoW would be at the bottom of the rotation, simply because of the fact that it cannot generate Holy Power.

---------- Post added 2010-09-15 at 04:45 PM ----------

It seems that Holy Wrath can still generate multiple HPower generation with 1 cast, while DS cannot.

[Fredzilla]

Everything I've been reading has been so depressing. WTB Good news, PST with price.

[Deleted]

Now that I think about it, I would assume HoW would be at the bottom of the rotation, simply because of the fact that it cannot generate Holy Power.

---------- Post added 2010-09-15 at 04:45 PM ----------

It seems that Holy Wrath can still generate multiple HPower generation with 1 cast, while DS cannot.

so for aoe start with HW and pray for enough HP to do DS and then your off to do CS filler etc until you can DS again

[Requital]

Everything I've been reading has been so depressing. WTB Good news, PST with price.

Best news I can give you is a 2HP TV rotation is smoother, cleaner and relatively the same DPS because of the extra Seal damage. Should try it out it's not near as clunky. But it's also likely Blizzard will fix it as they don't want us using a 2HP rotation even if it is cleaner you also waste way less HP and still get a few 3HP TV's from HoL.

[Fredzilla]

Well, since I haven't been playing ptr or beta, I'll just have to wait for live to hit and hope things are better than they sound right now.

[Geu]

I have a feeling only numbers will be slightly changed. And honestly, the numbers isn't the reason I won't be playing this game. I don't have fun with this new system. I feel like a machine now, like every other class. I feel as though all the fun and joy I got out of TBC's system was shit on in Wrath, and now wiped away by shit brand toilet paper, slowly flushing it's way into the dumps of all my other sadness for things that changed for the worse.

I just don't feel like a paladin anymore.

[dan.tabris]

Had it not been for the mastery and Inquisition, they probably would have left Exorcism alone. That spell double-dipping is likely why they re-tuned it. They needed to get an idea of what it would look like with and without Inquisition in the absence of the mastery.

It wasn't so much that the spell was double-dipping (although you're correct that it was), it was more that it was doing quite a bit more damage than TV, and they want to make sure that TV is the centerpiece of our rotation. If Exo was double-dipping but still not outshining TV, they probably would have left it.

Best news I can give you is a 2HP TV rotation is smoother, cleaner and relatively the same DPS because of the extra Seal damage. Should try it out it's not near as clunky. But it's also likely Blizzard will fix it as they don't want us using a 2HP rotation even if it is cleaner you also waste way less HP and still get a few 3HP TV's from HoL.

The reason why the 2HP rotation (and its better version, the 2HP "smart" rotation) is so good has little to do with the seal damage; it's mostly because of the delay on HP from DP procs. If they can fix that delay, the 3HP TV rotation will easily reign supreme. If the proc delay problem turns out to be too difficult to solve before Cata, the 2HP "smart" rotation might well be our best option.

[Rlyskilled]

Best news I can give you is a 2HP TV rotation is smoother, cleaner and relatively the same DPS because of the extra Seal damage. Should try it out it's not near as clunky. But it's also likely Blizzard will fix it as they don't want us using a 2HP rotation even if it is cleaner you also waste way less HP and still get a few 3HP TV's from HoL.

This this and this. Between the laggy DP procs and the extra seal damage you're getting the 2HP rotation has been much more fluid and despite my tests being incredibly anecdotal on a training dummy I haven't noticed a real DPS loss, while trying the 3HP rotation I noticed I was wasting Holy Power here and there because of that damn lag with DP and it was rather frustrating.

I haven't had to deal with Inquisition yet because I was not a lucky beta recipient so I have nothing to say on that. Like hunger for blood this seems like an easy knob to tune damage up or down to be in a good place.
I will however certainly be building my own Power Auras for my procs because through all the spells flying about I can't see the HoL aura at all and I would prefer it if my holy power bar was in the center of my screen. Stock UI was fine when the average monitor was much smaller than they are now but now I find myself looking all over the place to keep up on a rotation that I'm still getting used to.

Agreeing with Ronark on the priority list, when 4.0 hits it's going to look something like TV > CS > Exo > Judge > HW > HoW and until they fix numbers and that damn DP lag we'll likely be hitting TV at 2HP, 3 if DP procs and eating up those AoW procs when we can while keeping up Judgement with HW as a filler when everything else is down much like Exorcism is now. I just can't see consecration being used outside of a mass aoe situation.

My verdict: I don't feel any better or worse about this new rotation I just want to kill things.

[Isadora985]

Bring back the BC seal system! Yeah! Seriously though, I kinda like the change, it'll add some depth to the class dps wise and shine on the good players vs the bad ones. It'll just take some getting used to.