Point of doing 25 man in Cataclysm?

[Eggimannd]

I don't see why any raiding guild would want to do a 25 man instead of just splitting into multiple 10 man groups. The loot quality is the same, it's much easier to manage 10 people/get them together/more people probably get to raid in multiple groups. Even though the loot ratio per person might be slightly better on 25 man, I don't think it's going to be a big enough reason for anyone to want to go for 25 man.

Is this going to be the death of 25 man raids in cataclysm? I don't see ANY logical reason why a guild would do a 25 man instead of 10.

[Aphrel]

25m is funnier imo, more epic feeling with 25ppl then with 10.

[Sym]

25 man is much more entertaining. Simple as that.

[hellar]

25 gives more loot, is harder, drops legendary s

[Sym]

25 gives more loot, is harder, drops legendary s

10 man will also give Legendaries.

[hellar]

10 man will also give Legendaries.

link to post pls. just wana see if for myself

[Deleted]

Some guilds that have been running 25 groups might find it easier to stick to it, obviously on the long and run the guilds contending for server/world 1sts the higher loot ratio per player (as small as you say it may be) will have an affect on the long run. Plus finding decent raidleaders can be a pain in the ass, or even people who want to raidlead, some people also (even in 10 man) only feel comfortable raidleading with someone else helping too, for 2 10 man groups that could be 4 people who need to be able to do it, with a 25 u can do fine with just 2 people running the raid. For guilds with many players, running one big run is much easier than co-ordinating several smaller ones.

[Asmekiel]

I just moved from a 10m raiding guild to a 25m raiding guild. Not for the better loot, but I enjoy 25mans way more than 10mans. It just gives a better feeling accomplishing something with 25 people than with only 10.

[Deleted]

because they enjoy 25 mans more than 10 mans?

same as the reason some will do 10 mans now instead of 25mans

[PlatedPriest]

cause 25 are more epic?

[Scuravolpe]

link to post pls. just wana see if for myself

Why wouldn't they? Blizzard said there is ZERO itemization difference between 10 and 25 man. That would include things like legendaries.

[Belian]

Funny I like 10 mans a lot more, mostly because when I go to a 10 man I know the other 9 players for over a year and if they screw up I can tolerate it, but when I go to a 25 man I have to tolerate the stupidity of some people I don't even know.

[palage]

Why wouldn't they? Blizzard said there is ZERO itemization difference between 10 and 25 man. That would include things like legendaries.

blue or not true

[Gilian]

Imagine the end of cataclysm and we have to wait for the next expansion with 1 real raid for 12 months. People will quit and I guess most guilds don't even want to start recruiting again for new people if they don't have enough and they will all do 10 mans.

Same with guilds who have recruiting problems, why bother if you can do 10 mans? Or guilds that have 12 good players and 13 bad players.

Guilds will do 25 man because they enjoy them more but there is more reason to go 10 mans than 25 mans. The progress is the same the difficulty is the same and the loot is the same you only have less problems with recruiting and bad players when doing 10 man raids.

p.s. Why is there no option do to 40 mans? They will be exactly the same but well... 40 mans are more "epic".

[Deleted]

Funny I like 10 mans a lot more, mostly because when I go to a 10 man I know the other 9 players for over a year and if they screw up I can tolerate it, but when I go to a 25 man I have to tolerate the stupidity of some people I don't even know.

I'm the same, as epic as it can be in a 25 man raid having that many people working together, i much prefer the 10 man raiding environment, i prefer playing with a smaller selection of people who i know well.

[hellar]

blue or not true

^^^

[Deleted]

p.s. Why is there no option do to 40 mans? They will be exactly the same but well... 40 mans are more "epic".

maybe there isnt a massive demand for 40 mans anymore, most people i know who raided in classic (i didnt myself) all said they enjoyed certain aspects of 40 man raiding but given the choice they wouldnt have it back, not to say thats everyones opinion ofc.
I'd certainly be curious as to how 40 man raiding was having never really done it myself, but i still think on a weekly basis i prefer 10s and 25s

[Laguna]

Yeah the reasons for doing 25 mans are getting less and less but still... the feeling of doing something epic as a guild / team is much more present in 25 man raids (and also 40 man raids back in Vanilla) than in 10 man raids and that will never change!

[Tremelizzer]

Didn't find an actual blue post but this should be sufficient: http://www.worldofraids.com/topic/17...-on-cataclysm/

Quote: "Back to raiding for a few questions, I asked about legendaries and whether or not they would be obtainable in 10-player raids. "Legendaries will be available in 10-player raids as well. We want this new shift in philosophy to be about a playstyle choice, not what you feel obligated to do because an item you want only comes from 10 or 25. The general idea is 'more loot, not more powerful' for 25-player raids.""

[tacosarecool]

^^^

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24401...n-refinements/

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