Another UFO over China

[Tholl]

Here is the link.

http://www.newsoxy.com/space/chinese-ufo-15065.html
There was another bunch of sightings (with pictures) this past summer there also.
Crazy shit.

[collinollin]

There have only been 3 'alien' spacecraft to enter earths atmosphere since 1917.
None yet in the 21st century.

[Clockwork Pinkie]

It's a long exposure helicopter shot.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1128601/pg3

Read the first post on that page.

[.Aen]

There have only been 3 'alien' spacecraft to enter earths atmosphere since 1917.
None yet in the 21st century.

Source?

I think UFO's are real.

[Clockwork Pinkie]

Source?

I think UFO's are real.

They are, if you cant identify it, then it's a UFO in your eyes. I'm sure there's been some entering our atmosphere in the 21st century, if they were here before, why wouldn't they come back, are we that bad? Or they're still here, either way it's very interesting subject, my link will take you to the hell hole of the internet where majority of the things like this are talked about. Just be ware of the doom threads. And to keep this on topic, here's the UFO that closed down the airport in June. Comet, perhaps, UFO? Most defiantly, I cant identify it. The first 3 seconds you can see it's clearly in the atmosphere.

[Elementium]

Yeah the one in the youtube video is obviously fake.. UFO's are described 90% of the time as crafts that fly with no sound and no jets or smoke or anything like the missile in that video.

It's possible their are aliens, but you'd think they'd show themselves by now. Then again we do have a habit of attacking things instantly when we feel threatened.

I wonder if they have Wifi.. would help.

[Marlamin]

UFO's are real, there's nothing that can be fake about them.

If they're aliens/spacecrafts/whatever though, that's the question!

[Bakadin]

Yeah the one in the youtube video is obviously fake.. UFO's are described 90% of the time as crafts that fly with no sound and no jets or smoke or anything like the missile in that video.

It's possible their are aliens, but you'd think they'd show themselves by now. Then again we do have a habit of attacking things instantly when we feel threatened.

I wonder if they have Wifi.. would help.

I love your random data, and I love how you assume we know that "UFO's" don't emit smoke or sound. rofl...

"WE DONT KNOW IF THESE NON-EARTH UFO'S EXIST, BUT WE KNOW THEY USUALLY DON'T EMIT SMOKE OR SOUND".

Funfun.

[collinollin]

Source?

I think UFO's are real.

I'm the source.
And I'm not saying UFO's arn't real... I'm just saying there have been no real ones since the one in 1917.

[Elementium]

I love your random data, and I love how you assume we know that "UFO's" don't emit smoke or sound. rofl...

"WE DONT KNOW IF THESE NON-EARTH UFO'S EXIST, BUT WE KNOW THEY USUALLY DON'T EMIT SMOKE OR SOUND".

Funfun.

Oh you don't wanna start with me..

I have one of those paranoid 2012 dad's who thinks the world will be taken over by lizard people (no lie). I have been watching every single Alien,UFO,conspiracy show that's been put out on TV since I was old enough to have nightmares.. (thanks dad)

In every show, every account says UFO's simply float through the sky and in an instant are gone. While essentially all this is is fantasy at the moment you have to consider that we can NOT go by what we know about the laws of science because if aliens are capable of space travel and machines that can disappear in an instant then they obviously know something we don't.

Like iphones would have been in the category of "Space age" technology even when I was a kid ( 90's \m/) who knows what kind of technology other beings might have.

I love Alien talk

[Badpaladin]

To be fair, it is quite literally impossible to travel faster than the speed of light without going through a wormhole. That's also not just based on Einstein's theory, they proved it at CERN(my cousin's a physicist there). Thus far the only place we think could support life as we know it would be the recently discovered "goldilocks planet" circling Gliese 581. Having one practically next door(only 20 light years away) is indicative that life as we know it could very well be quite common in the universe.

That said, I think this UFO stuff is sort of stupid. There's nuts for just about nay cause and this one is no different.

[Andrac]

It honestly amazes me that people can claim that "UFOs" and "aliens" don't exist. The best advice I can give to these people is watch some science shows about the galaxy/universe and the origins of life on earth. In other words, don't listen to religion. There is roughly 200 billion stars in our galaxy the milky way. How on earth anyone can possibly think we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy I can't understand. While not every solar system has planets I'm sure, and those that do not all have earth like planets, we are still talking about millions of potential earths for like as we know it. Thats the kicker though, as we know it. Watch some shows on the deep sea which we barely know anything about. We keep discovering new life that we didn't think was possible to survive in the types of conditions we see them in. And thats right here on earth. Imagine would could be out in the rest of the galaxy. We're carbon based life forms, its possible to have nitrogen based life forms for all we know.

The second biggest thing is, I think most people don't understand the sheer amount of time involved in all of this. Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Life on earth is roughly 3.5 billion years old. Here comes the big part, the entire milky way galaxy isn't the same age. There are whole sections which are literally billions of years older then earth. Think of that, before earth even existed there were planets that were already billions of years old. Now think of how far humanity has advanced in the last 200 years. Hell the last 50 years even. Scientists think we will be able to actually put a man on mars within 20 years. Some people think if it wasn't for the dark ages we would already be traveling the stars. People need to get out of the 'humanity is the greatest' mindset. Just because we can't do it now doesn't mean someone else can't.

[Clockwork Pinkie]

I agree Andrac, it's impossible to think that we're the only ones out here. If the whole Universe was made for us, that's an awful waste of space in my opinion. But, arguing it is just like arguing that god does or doesn't exists and all of that, both sides don't have good enough evidence to prove it. Cept maybe this one recent discovery.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=130215192

[Andrac]

I agree Andrac, it's impossible to think that we're the only ones out here. If the whole Universe was made for us, that's an awful waste of space in my opinion. But, arguing it is just like arguing that god does or doesn't exists and all of that, both sides don't have good enough evidence to prove it. Cept maybe this one recent discovery.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=130215192

Thats the part you might not be understanding. "Life as we know it" means nothing. On the bottom of the sea floor there is hot air vents that literally boil the water around them. The temperature is over 700 degrees F (I fail at spelling but you know the word). They are TEAMING with life. A bare handful of years ago no scientist thought this was possible. How could life life possible exist in 700 degree water? So who knows what is out there. We're carbon based, why does life have to be carbon based? Who made that rule? On europa a moon of saturn or jupiter, I forget which, there is ice 15 feet thick, but scientist think that under the ice there might be liquid nitrogen which might have life living within the water. As the years go by we are quickly discovering that "life as we know it" only covers the smallest fraction of life. My point is looking for earth like planets only means something if we are looking for "life as we know it". Theres also a far greater chance of other life in the galaxy then any earth based god being real. To be quite frank, all earth based religions have already been proven wrong. Science goes directly against the origin of humanity stories in all religions.

The real question isn't is there life other in the galaxy, but are various governments covering it up. That question seems to be more and more, yes. Just last week a group of former u.s military personal (including some generals) came out and talked about alien visitations in the past 60 years. Apparently they have been seen hovering over nuclear weapon sites interested in what we're doing. Theres also literally thousands of UFO sightings every year. Obviously not all are from another planet, but it would be foolish to think not a single one is. I love the biggest excuse people use of 'you can't travel faster then light'. I seem to have misplaced my human handbook that says if we can't do it right now then it can never be done for all time. I'm just thankful that the founders of human civilizations throughout history didn't think like these people.

[Badpaladin]

Life as we know it = has water and a temperature/atmosphere that can sustain it. It's impossible for us to fathom how life would function without water, regardless of how funky and bizarre its living conditions are.

Hence is why my post is regarding Gliese 581's planet.

Regarding government cover-ups, I think you're a bit too crazy. Maybe I'm burying my head in the sand, but the government isn't as evil and commanding as you think it is. Hollywood has done a good job of giving it that label. If you're interested, every time you're taxed a part of that goes directly to NASA, who is heading all research in these areas. Pay your taxes, keep interested and informed - and you're doing your part.

Now 'can't travel faster than the speed of light' is true. I can call my cousin if you'd like, and get him to post why. He's a physicst at CERN, which is run entirely by scientists and not some ruling government/corporation. When they "turned up the notch" on a particle after it reached the speed of light, it did not go faster; its apparent mass increased. In fact I think it's absolutely fucking phenomenal that Einstein's theories(which he just CAME UP WITH) work in real application. There's no conspiracy here, it's the laws of physics.

[Andrac]

Life as we know it = has water and a temperature/atmosphere that can sustain it. It's impossible for us to fathom how life would function without water, regardless of how funky and bizarre its living conditions are.

Hence is why my post is regarding Gliese 581's planet.

Regarding government cover-ups, I think you're a bit too crazy. Maybe I'm burying my head in the sand, but the government isn't as evil and commanding as you think it is. Hollywood has done a good job of giving it that label. If you're interested, every time you're taxed a part of that goes directly to NASA, who is heading all research in these areas. Pay your taxes, keep interested and informed - and you're doing your part.

Now 'can't travel faster than the speed of light' is true. I can call my cousin if you'd like, and get him to post why. He's a physicst at CERN, which is run entirely by scientists and not some ruling government/corporation. When they "turned up the notch" on a particle after it reached the speed of light, it did not go faster; its apparent mass increased. In fact I think it's absolutely fucking phenomenal that Einstein's theories(which he just CAME UP WITH) work in real application. There's no conspiracy here, it's the laws of physics.

You aren't from the u.s. are you? Or at least if you are you don't know your history or stay current with the news. The u.s. government has commited genocide and done medical research that would put the nazis and joseph mengele to shame. Do you really think covering up life from other planets visiting earth is a big deal in comparison to murdering thousands of people? You seem to have missed the part where I said former u.s. military generals just last week came out and said UFOs not from earth have been coming to earth and visitin nuclear weapons sites. So they all just decided to lie for no reason?

But you are also assuming that I think the government is doing it for 'evil' purposes, even though they have clearly demonstrated they are capable of such evil. There could also be the fact that if a spaceship were to just land on the lawn of the white house it would create a panic. I think they do know of the existence of other intelligent life and we are being eased into it. The UN just created an official 'alien greeter' position. Basically someone to make the first contact with other species. Why now of all times if there is no coverup? Its very likely we will know of life on other planets by the end of the decade based on the rate we are going with more and more sightings and more organizations discussing the possibility of it. Hell the catholic church just a few years ago came out and said there could be other intelligent life out there. And they don't admit anything until a hundred years or more after the fact.

By the "can't travel faster then light" I was talking more about hyperspace then the actual traveling of faster then light. I know you can't go faster then light, 187,000 mph. Some people claim its impossible for aliens to visit earth because they would never be able to get here in the first place. That was my point about saying I hate it when people basically say if we can't do it now that means it can never be done.

[Nubling]

Life as we know it = has water and a temperature/atmosphere that can sustain it. It's impossible for us to fathom how life would function without water, regardless of how funky and bizarre its living conditions are.

I can fathom it!...
Probably tons of lifeforms out there that don't require water to exist...

[Badpaladin]

You aren't from the u.s. are you? Or at least if you are you don't know your history or stay current with the news. The u.s. government has commited genocide and done medical research that would put the nazis and joseph mengele to shame. Do you really think covering up life from other planets visiting earth is a big deal in comparison to murdering thousands of people? You seem to have missed the part where I said former u.s. military generals just last week came out and said UFOs not from earth have been coming to earth and visitin nuclear weapons sites. So they all just decided to lie for no reason?

Point these out for me, seriously. For every conspiracy theory you can chug out, I can easily find an explanation that debunks it. Oh, but that doesn't matter because you're right...right? I also think you're confusing the US government with the Japanese Government, specifically Unit 731.

But you are also assuming that I think the government is doing it for 'evil' purposes, even though they have clearly demonstrated they are capable of such evil. There could also be the fact that if a spaceship were to just land on the lawn of the white house it would create a panic. I think they do know of the existence of other intelligent life and we are being eased into it. The UN just created an official 'alien greeter' position. Basically someone to make the first contact with other species. Why now of all times if there is no coverup? Its very likely we will know of life on other planets by the end of the decade based on the rate we are going with more and more sightings and more organizations discussing the possibility of it. Hell the catholic church just a few years ago came out and said there could be other intelligent life out there. And they don't admit anything until a hundred years or more after the fact.

Ah yes, they clearly demonstrated this with some unfounded, incredible theory of yours. And because the catholic church always admits things 100 years after the fact(known by all mankind), it must have existed in the past!...Again, you're not even shaping a logical argument. You don't have any science, documents or credible statements that prove what you're saying. Failing to employ logic in any discussion only further weakens your arguments. Here, I'll do this: I completely disagree with and fully deny any of these outlandish claims. There is no malicious government trying to do one over on us. We haven't contacted intelligent life. We haven't contacted(what we can be fully sure of) any kind of life thus far. However, very soon we will be sending a very highly-engineered machine to Europa to drill through the 100km thick outer layer of frozen water to search for any kind of life underneath. We've seen life on our own planet exist in extreme pressure/temperature conditions, and in there it is very possible that similar, alien life(likely simple) does exist near thermal vents and the surrounding water. Until then, I can say with assurance that we haven't had any encounters with life outside of earth.

Please, stop with the conspiracy theories.

By the "can't travel faster then light" I was talking more about hyperspace then the actual traveling of faster then light. I know you can't go faster then light, 187,000 mph. Some people claim its impossible for aliens to visit earth because they would never be able to get here in the first place. That was my point about saying I hate it when people basically say if we can't do it now that means it can never be done.

"Hyperspace" would be tapping into the fifth dimension to instantly appear anywhere in time instantly, thereby not requiring any speed to begin with. Technology able to achieve this and appear in any specific area at any given time would enable us to appear instantly at any given point we choose without "losing" time. Is it possible that intelligent life elsewhere is able to do this? I really can't answer with a yes or a no. We simply do not have enough information about it. How fast could they evolve? How long ago was the big bang? Was there even a big bang? Is this even possible to begin with? We don't have a clue. Hollywood has sure done its part in making some of us think that it is possible, but you can't claim existence from something you don't even know the parameters of. That's a logical jump that you simply cannot make.

I can fathom it!...
Probably tons of lifeforms out there that don't require water to exist...

I should clarify by fathom. I mean that we can't understand how it could happen. Sure, I can fathom that I have super brain powers that can move couches(and couches only, mind you) at my will. But how can I explain how this process occurs? I can't. It's completely outside the realm of possibility to explain how my brain can move couches, and couches only. It's the same way with life. We cannot explain, in any way, shape, form or fashion how an organism could function without water. That's also why we're so concerned with "life as we know it"; life that exists with water means we can coexist with it.

[Clockwork Pinkie]

Thats the part you might not be understanding. "Life as we know it" means nothing. On the bottom of the sea floor there is hot air vents that literally boil the water around them. The temperature is over 700 degrees F (I fail at spelling but you know the word). They are TEAMING with life. A bare handful of years ago no scientist thought this was possible. How could life life possible exist in 700 degree water? So who knows what is out there. We're carbon based, why does life have to be carbon based? Who made that rule? On europa a moon of saturn or jupiter, I forget which, there is ice 15 feet thick, but scientist think that under the ice there might be liquid nitrogen which might have life living within the water. As the years go by we are quickly discovering that "life as we know it" only covers the smallest fraction of life. My point is looking for earth like planets only means something if we are looking for "life as we know it". Theres also a far greater chance of other life in the galaxy then any earth based god being real. To be quite frank, all earth based religions have already been proven wrong. Science goes directly against the origin of humanity stories in all religions.

Well, our minds can only comprehend so much. It's what we're being taught in school, it's what will always be taught in school until, as we both said, they can prove it. Until that point arrives, I still think that in order for something to "live and breathe", it's going to need Oxygen. Water counts as that, yes. Which is why there's a very very strong possiblitie of life being on mars, in Jupiter, on Saturn, on Pluto, Uranus, Neptune. Only thing is that we only have satellies, they cant go in, we can only get pictures that we've seen a thousand times before.
There could be life living anywhere, I agree, life as we know it covers little to nothing. But it's what we know it as and should continue to know it as until we find life on a planet with no atmosphere.

The real question isn't is there life other in the galaxy, but are various governments covering it up. That question seems to be more and more, yes. Just last week a group of former u.s military personal (including some generals) came out and talked about alien visitations in the past 60 years. Apparently they have been seen hovering over nuclear weapon sites interested in what we're doing. Theres also literally thousands of UFO sightings every year. Obviously not all are from another planet, but it would be foolish to think not a single one is. I love the biggest excuse people use of 'you can't travel faster then light'. I seem to have misplaced my human handbook that says if we can't do it right now then it can never be done for all time. I'm just thankful that the founders of human civilizations throughout history didn't think like these people.

The government is holding a lot of stuff back, but I think they know what they're doing. It'd would be pointless to know that we know how to travel faster than the speed of light, or that we know that there is life out there. Knowing life is out there would cause panic in the streets for one, constant stress for others that never know if they're going to be probed or not, and the faster than light technology. If we had that, it would be like the Manhattan project all over again, everyone would be dieing over it, literally. Fighting to get their hands on it so they can get out of this hell hole and someplace "better".

I think that this is the essential flaw in your argument. How are you certain the universe "was made"? Or even exists for a purpose? I see us as a planet as a mere coincidence, one of the many possibilities the laws of physics can play out. I'd even go so far to say, that the mere existence of life on earth was entirely by chance, and a humbling low one at that.

It's just better to know that this thing had a beginning and will eventually have an ending, instead of just being there, forever eternally, with no clear purpose. But then again, it doesn't need a purpose.

Of course there is no way to tell for sure that no other life exists. But that isn't what this thread is about. It is about if they were here, which is quite another story. It is a bit why many atheists tend to be actually more agnostic. (I don't want a religious discussion here, the comparison just fit nicely.)

That is true, if they were here, that will raise a huge number of questions that the public would demand answers to, what did they want, what are they looking for, are they going to come back and evade us? And such.

So yes, there might be other life, multiple planets with it if you want, but that does not imply that this life has also been here. Not at all! If it has, deliver evidence that withstands scientific falsification. If that cannot be done, we have no case. That's how it works if you exclude beliefs and superstition, and go with reason alone.

A UFO could mean that there's life out there, just hasn't visited yet, they could be unmanned drones. They could be manned. As far as we know, we know nothing, as the common people, I'm sure the government knows a whole lot more than we wish to know.

[Elementium]

I generally don't agree with people who claim "This is impossible".

It's very possible we could someday discover something like a new Element that would change the laws of science as we know it. It's happened alot in human history.

Don't know if anyone has seen the Superhumans show on the history channel but one guy was immune to electricity.. that's impossible right? All it takes is one little change in what we consider the laws of science and then everything is effected.