[HOLY 4.01] Stats, Gems and Reforging

[Powerlamer]

Hi,
first of all, i want to apologize for my english, be patient, it's not my native language...

As i think all of you knows, next week we will have the new Patch 4.01 with new talents, changes to the stats, gems and with Reforging; as someone else, i'm a bit worry about it, the question is; what stats should i choose?

What stats should i aim for? my idea is to balance them all.
Atm with my equip i have something like 815 haste rating, my idea was to keep this haste that comes from gear and gems, and reforge all the items that have Crit with some Mastery rating. Doing this i will not remove all the crit.

The whole idea is:
- blue gems - use 20 spirit gems, for regen
- red gems - use 20 int gems, for spell power/int
- yellow gems - use 10 int + 10 haste gems

The spec i think i'm going to use atm is this http://wowtal.com/#k=dzsBWxI.a4d.priest
Have you got some other suggestions?

Thanks in advance for the answers
Colle

[Deleted]

Mana shouldn't be an issue until we start leveling and the mana-costs make a huge leap. So Spirit should be unnecessary at level 80. Just gem for max-throughout via Haste and Int.

[nevermore]

Mana really isn't much of an issue at lvl80, just go for maximum throughput.
The build you linked seems decent enough, though always always always go for 3/3 Twin Disciplines (even at lvl85!)

I'm probably not going to re-gem or reforge anything while I'm lvl80.

[Vook]

Yeah, Mana is no issue at all right now, at least on the PTR. Just do like we currently do: Straight haste.

[Danner]

If you need mana, gear for int and spirit.
If not, gear for int and haste.

Hint: Try to spot the one awesome stat giving everything you ever need

[Deleted]

Well, Int in 4.01 doesn't give you nearly as much mana as it did before. Int is now a throughput stat. There are no real ways to effectively increase your maximum mana. And since Replenishment got a hefty nerf...it really won't be worth gemming Int for longevity.

[Kelesti]

You mean the awesome stat that had every reason of its contributions to one of those nerfed by an average of 50%?

[Tustavus]

At level 80 I'd probably go more http://wowtal.com/#k=pYXLJvM.a4d.priest myself, focusing on getting as much throughput as possible.

Then again, I'm looking at something like http://wowtal.com/#k=bv0czGEqY.a4d.priest as my 85 build (might move some Holy talents around, depending on how much Holy Word spells are used) so I wouldn't even have to respec my Holy spec.

[Simca]

- blue gems - use 20 spirit gems, for regen

While I know sometimes people do this (20 in one stat in one color and 20 in another stat in another color), I really fail to understand why. If you like Int a lot, you should be trying to maximize your Int, and use 10 Int/10 Spirit in blue sockets. If you want to maximize your spirit, you should use 10 Int/10 Spirit in red and 20 spirit in Blue.

Doing a half and half thing just seems really odd to me, but maybe I'm just nit-picking.

[Powerlamer]

Thanks all for the answers. Looking at what you said, i think i'm gonna do something like that:

blue - 10 int + 10 spirit
red - 20 int
yellow - 10 int + 10 haste

About reforging i think i'm gonna reforge everything with Mastery/Haste.
I dont understand why you said you dont want to reforge... it's like 10 g for every piece of gear... it's like 170g? Who cant afford 170g these days?

[Nisala]

I would definitely reforge all crit into mastery - it's an awesome bonus.

[Maxpowr]

I think I am gonna stick with my current setup.

Red - 10 Int + 10 Haste
Yellow - 20 Haste
Blue - 10 Haste + 10 Spirit

Probably reforge the crit into mastery.

[Kelesti]

I think I am gonna stick with my current setup.

Red - 10 Int + 10 Haste
Yellow - 20 Haste
Blue - 10 Haste + 10 Spirit

Probably reforge the crit into mastery.

Probably what I'm doing as well.

[Feigr]

What I am wondering is, when it comes to reforging should we do crit -> haste, or crit -> mastery? Is it worth it to bother with mastery at lvl 80 for Holy, and if so is it better than haste?

[mutantboy]

So maybe not the best place to ask - but anyways...
I have lots of orange gems - SP/Haste & SP/Int. And lots of red SP gems. So what am I going to end up with - red SP gems becoming yellow and orange sp/int gems becoming the same?
I suppose I get to find out real soon - but I'm curious. My chest has a red/yellow socket. I have SP for red and Sp/int (or haste) in the yellow for the set bonus. So do I now go orange (int/haste or what is orange) and yellow.

OMG - just confused myself more - i'm also a JC. WTF are my patterns going to be. Am I going to have to get some I don't have...

Worse still I am away and won't be back for 2 days so I won't find out for ages (quickly turns off wow websites and hides in dark place)

Ok - found some JC info - int = red :-)

[Sarcasm]

What I am wondering is, when it comes to reforging should we do crit -> haste, or crit -> mastery? Is it worth it to bother with mastery at lvl 80 for Holy, and if so is it better than haste?

For pieces of gear that already have both haste and crit on them, you cannot reforge the crit in to more haste. So go with mastery instead.

[Deleted]

I think I am gonna stick with my current setup.

Red - 10 Int + 10 Haste
Yellow - 20 Haste
Blue - 10 Haste + 10 Spirit

Probably reforge the crit into mastery.

I was thinking about this as well. But if +Mastery gems will come (don't know for sure), how effective will this be?

[Zeuq]

I was thinking about reforging my Crit/Spirit pieces into Haste and staying with a Haste priority (Int/Haste, Haste, Haste/Spirit), but I'm not sure that's really the best way anymore.

In Renew Chakra, Haste won't gain us more GCDs, so it's only meaningful in terms of getting us an extra tick, which only happens at certain values. Then again, Mastery probably isn't too hot for Renew Chakra either, since it'll only proc off of the Divine Touch portion. In either case, for Renew, it seems best to get to a Haste value just over one of the values that grants a tick, at which point more is worthless until the next step up, and get more Mastery instead.

In PoH Chakra, Haste will be nice because we can get more of them, but it'll also be throwing EoL procs all over the place, so they seem pretty much like a wash here.

In Heal Chakra, I see Mastery as being strictly superior for tank healing, where the Haste will probably be better if you're trying to randomly top off the raid, but why would you be doing that?

In Smite Chakra, Haste is obviously strictly superior, but this Chakra is of minimal consideration.


As such, I'm wondering if even on Crit/Spirit pieces, where we can reforge to Haste, if Mastery isn't still a better consideration. Thoughts?

[Maxpowr]

As such, I'm wondering if even on Crit/Spirit pieces, where we can reforge to Haste, if Mastery isn't still a better consideration. Thoughts?

1. You cannot reforge primary stats (Stam, Agi, Int and Str). Spirit is an option but see #2.

2. You can not reforge to a stat already on the gear.

For example: A crit/haste piece such as Plague Scientist Boots you cannot take crit from it and add more haste. You can take crit from it and add more mastery or even spirit.

3. Although not related, you cannot reforge to resilience.

[Nørf]

So this boils down to that mastery is the better of that and spirit?
And stacking much haste is wise?