Testing Frost DPS (Cata)

[Manstallion]

Does anyone know of a way to accurately test Frost DPS where you can implement Deep Freeze? The target dummies can be stunned so you are losing out on a huge chunk of damage when trying to get a feel for the numbers on them. Anyone have an idea how to get more accurate numbers short of going into a raid?

[Maharishi]

Anachronos in from of CoT?

I level all my weapon skills on him, hits like a pansy, especially if we're talking 85.

If he's still there, that is.

[Manstallion]

Anachronos in from of CoT?

I level all my weapon skills on him, hits like a pansy, especially if we're talking 85.

If he's still there, that is.

Good idea, I'll check if he's still around when I get back from class. Tanaris has seen some serious changes though so it's very possible he isn't.

[Fujisaw]

i dont see why he shouldnt be there still. but yeah why cant Tdummies be able to be frozen even with FoF they did it for bosses. they give us them to practice our rotations on and test dps but they screw over frost mages possibly the only class/spec that this happens to

[Manstallion]

i dont see why he shouldnt be there still. but yeah why cant Tdummies be able to be frozen even with FoF they did it for bosses. they give us them to practice our rotations on and test dps but they screw over frost mages possibly the only class/spec that this happens to

Well FoF isn't really the issue, that works fine. You wouldn't be able to cast Deep Freeze at all if FoF wasn't functioning on them properly. It's the fact that DF only does damage to targets permanently immune to stun. For some reason the dummies can be stunned, so DF just stuns them instead of doing damage. Kind of dumb, but it is what it is.

[Fujisaw]

i see. sry for acting dumb i havent played frost since vanilla i just assumed it was a FoF problem since i knew thats how we used DF on bosses. i bet this has something to do with PvP testing for some melee classes

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you would think blizz could just make it do dmg while stunning just for PTR so we can test frost

[Manstallion]

Just making the dummies immune to stun would be an easier fix, I dunno why they have them able to be stunned in the first place.

[RBFxJMH]

I think ret pally has an ability or two that do more damage if the target is stunned. That's probably why the target dummies can be stunned.

[DirewolfX]

Ret pallies haven't had those abilities in years.

Have you tried the 'Skull' level target dummy? That one should be unstunnable. The rest are supposed to be stunnable.

[Swizzle]

Dr. Boom, nuff said.

[Manstallion]

Ret pallies haven't had those abilities in years.

Have you tried the 'Skull' level target dummy? That one should be unstunnable. The rest are supposed to be stunnable.

Yup, the raider dummy can still be stunned.

---------- Post added 2010-10-08 at 01:19 PM ----------

Dr. Boom, nuff said.

Another valid option, thank you.

[Saverem]

Does anyone have a video of a Cata Frost Mage hitting an unstunnable target with Deep Freeze? The damage on that ability is ridiculous, and coupled with FoF, I wouldn't be surprised if it crits for over 70k.

[SoulPoetry]

well Deep Freeze is always a crit right? (or close) so assume a crit, calculate how much it crits for from the SP coeffients and divide that by 30 (or 31/32 for realism) and add that to your dps.

@dire: kewl avatar dood.

[Manstallion]

Testing on Dr. Boom earlier with an 85 premade my highest crit with it was around 33k, but that was just self buffed. It definitely hits hard. A shame that Dr. Boom only has 500k hp and I killed him too fast for a longer test.

[Saverem]

Testing on Dr. Boom earlier with an 85 premade my highest crit with it was around 33k, but that was just self buffed. It definitely hits hard. A shame that Dr. Boom only has 500k hp and I killed him too fast for a longer test.

Was this with FoF proc that increases its crit damage by 3x? The spell description states that it hits for around 17k, that would make it around a 34k crit and over 100k FoF crit... Sounds like awesomeness to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3HbjJcc1Oc 17:14 you see him hover mouse over Deep Freeze showing 17.2-17.8k damage.

[Swizzle]

FoF doesn't increase critical strike damage...

[Saverem]

FoF doesn't increase critical strike damage...

Oh right. How the hell is Ice Lance critting for 17k in that video? Am I missing something?

[Swizzle]

Oh right. How the hell is Ice Lance critting for 17k in that video? Am I missing something?

The frost mastery.

[Odina]

Oh right. How the hell is Ice Lance critting for 17k in that video? Am I missing something?

Shatter allows up to 3X crit rating on frozen targets.
FOF makes spells you use react like the target is frozen even if they are not.
Our Mastery gives us bonus dmg to targets that are frozen
We have an Ice lance glyph to upp it's dmg

add em up and you got a nice IL crit

[Manstallion]

I wouldn't have been able to cast DF in the first place if FoF wasn't up, and like others said FoF doesn't increase crit damage, only crit chance.