WoW Playerbase - a reflection of communism?

[Deleted]

Indeed every economist would agree that, until now, the capitalist model has been a strong option

As an economist i have to strongly disagree, I've been telling people that the sytem is due a colossal crash for years now, but because i dont have 30 years experience, a beard and am not right wing enough (these are the "elitist" version of economists), I have been generally ignored (as most other sane economists in my age group 25 - 35). When it did crash the puppets in government just went and propped it all up again (i'll give it another 6/8 years before it all falls down again.

Luckily the capitalist/liberal economists are dying out (literally) and the new guard acknowledges that different systems are needed in different countries according to their development level and that social welfare (not Socialism - there is a difference) is a must for any developed or developing countries. Developing countries need strong state control esp in regards to their trade and industrial policies whilst developed countries need to make sure the potential for equality is allowed (not enforced) across the whole population (i.e. the same provision of services at the same quality level for all citizens regardless of wealth - free universities, schools, cheap transport and free healthcare for a start).

Rant over.

[Xionor]

I just want to point out to a few of you that All Communism is Socialism, but Socialism is not communism.


As for the OP, Maybe communism throughout history, but not communism in it's purest(yet unachievable)form that was first idealized by Marx. If WoW was like that, we'd all have the same gear and all have the name Smurf as our character name.

In the earliest days of gaming, when the game of Pong where we all had a white ball on one side of the screen everyone was having fun dispite being "the same" as your opponents or the other few thousand people who owned the console. So obviously fun is not a concept based on uniqueness and feeling special.

[crikk23]

The most prominent examples of a corrupt communism are mainly the Soviet Union and China.
But the Russian Federation is no-less corrupt today, dispite the supposed democracy. The show is still being run by all those people who ran it pre-1989.
There is generally no good communism.

could say the same about the U.S...


also think its more just the way of humans...

how good would a game be if there was one WTF OP class then a WTF weak class? balance is kinda like...idk needed in a online game.


and what government does not have ppl thinking there trying to screw there own ppl(and alot of times those ppl are right...)

[darkwarrior42]

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A hypocritic demand for equality, expressed only in the desire to keep everyone at a level below you, while you excel better than them.

Not *hypocritical*, because you misunderstand the situation. A game, in order to be a fair contest, requires that everyone start at an equal level. It doesn't require that everyone end at an equal level. If you and I were to play a game of ping-pong, and you were given a 10 point head start, with the game being to 11, you'd have an unfair advantage. Demanding that you start at the same level as me doesn't make it hypocritical of me to end with more points than you. Same principle.

The concept of game balance requires that everyone start on approximately equal footing, so that the winner is determined by skill and effort. Games make everyone equal at the beginning, then lets them compete to improve their position. Communism makes everyone equal at the beginning, then keeps them there.

A desire to be better than everyone without them having the slightest ability to chalange you on that.

This is only really present in twinks, and is the reason so many people hate them. Everywhere else, there are many players looking for a good challenge. I have no doubt some people feel this way, but don't generalize to the entire community; not everyone feels this way, as evidenced by the number of players looking for more challenging content.

A megalomaniac drive to own as many fancy things nobody else has/can have, so you'd feel better about yourself. So you'd feel more successful than other people.

Not entirely sure that this meets the definition of megalomania so much as simple greed. In any event, you're once again over generalizing. There are many people, myself included, that either strive to obtain things in-game for their own sake, or as means to an end. I couldn't possibly care less if other people know what I have or not, and have often spoken against such sentiments in the past (my personal comparison was to Peacocks).
... and in any event, this isn't that much different than your previous point.

A need to drive all others down into the ground and keep them there below you.

"If I can't have it, nobody can." type of thinking.

Okay, yes, we get it. You're still overgeneralizing, but now you're just saying the same thing over and over again.

Complete disregard for fellow players.

Not only is this over generalizing once again, it's hardly unique to WoW. Respect for other people has diminished even in real life, and on the internet it's commonplace.

Constant phobia and lack of trust in anyone or anything.

Okay, now I think you might just be projecting some personal issues. Phobias are incredibly severe; people suffering from them cannot function in a normal manner. If you're working with other people in game, they aren't suffering from any phobia related to the current task, or you'd know it. And people trust others all the time; many on my server are trustworthy, and the ones who aren't are found out rather quickly.

Immense selfishness and greed and self-centered thinking.

Once again, not only a generalization applied unfairly to the entire community, but a concept that is hardly unique to WoW.




.... it wasn't very effective.

[Victoriaautmors]

Wow , you have no idea what are you talking about, communism was never implemented as a governing idea for a society , China , USSR,Yugoslavia were all SOCIALIST states NOT communist states. The Communist party of the USSR was only called that because they strived for communism , never havin implemented it.

Communism is impossible to implement in the current level of development of the human society.

Anyway on topic your main problem with wow is that players are envious of nice things other classes/races get and want that for themselves or want to be better, which is one of the bad characteristics of all humans since we came to be it has nothing to do with communism,nor capitalism.

[scroobius]

Communism works in theory.. WoW works

[Sageth]

Everyone wants their class to be as good as other classes etc. That doesn't mean everyone wants to be the same. It means everyone wants to have the same chance.

If John and Mike both play a DPS class they should both have the same chance of being good at it, even when they don't play the same class. If John is a better player he will join a great raiding guild, Mike won't. If Mike is superb at PvP he will join a great arena team and win in tournaments, John wont.

However the class shouldn't have an impact on this. You can't just say "Though luck, you picked a class you liked but that class just sucks".

[crikk23]

As an economist i have to strongly disagree, I've been telling people that the sytem is due a colossal crash for years now, but because i dont have 30 years experience, a beard and am not right wing enough (these are the "elitist" version of economists), I have been generally ignored (as most other sane economists in my age group 25 - 35). When it did crash the puppets in government just went and propped it all up again (i'll give it another 6/8 years before it all falls down again.

if your talking about the whole stock market crash(ignore this if your not i dont feel like reading threw all the pages...)

stuff like this is always going to happen every so maney years and is in fact HAS TO happen to keep it going.(kinda like how wood lands have to burn down to keep growing)if it did not happen every so often you would get wealth to be so one sided(1000x more so then it is)that the whole thing would crumble and there no way to get around such things.

(and if you where not talking about it again sorry...need to go to sleep so maybe being little crazy atm)

[Deleted]

Would have to agree with you on that, it's could possibly be that in a communist society these kind of behaviours shine through more than in other ones.

[Deleted]

if your talking about the whole stock market crash(ignore this if your not i dont feel like reading threw all the pages...)

stuff like this is always going to happen every so maney years and is in fact HAS TO happen to keep it going.(kinda like how wood lands have to burn down to keep growing)if it did not happen every so often you would get wealth to be so one sided(1000x more so then it is)that the whole thing would crumble and there no way to get around such things.

(and if you where not talking about it again sorry...need to go to sleep so maybe being little crazy atm)

No, this is what I was talking about - but unlike me or you that knew it had to crash, the morons working in the system (and government too) thought the system could run forever and be self sustaining. The problem isnt really the crash per se, but to the effects it has had on lending and the housing market for the poor. With a system based on debt and loans, when the loans stop so does consumption - this was the mistake and the big problem in the system.

Anyway back to WoW.

I reaffirm that WoW still hasnt put a dog in space yet so we cant compare the two.

[Holtz]

This is not communism. This is just how to world works in general atm. I can't figure out how people feel we live in a good society.

[ralphie]

This is an excellent example to illustrate kids have waaaaaaay too much time in their hands.

[Victoriaautmors]

Anyway socialism isnt that bad, sure capitalism is better for developed societies, but socialism is much superior for undeveloped nations.

Pre WW1 Russia was a rural country with no industry whatsoever , just 2-3 decades later USSR had one of the strongest industries of the world and managed to catch up with Germany, Brittain and USA which had a 150-200 year advantage.

Same goes for ex-Yugoslavia pre WW2 it was an undeveloped capitalis country, in WW2 it was completly razed to the ground but thanks to Socialism managed to build up and be one of the more developed countries in the wordl by the 70ties.

[Banaghran]

Yes, it's Blizzard's fault youre a complete ass to your fellow players. You poor soul.

I have never claimed that, but obviously, if blizz generates a system, where some classes "lack" , or "think they lack" (what i mentioned in the second part of my reply), or , on the other hand, hands out things to some classes for no reason, it creates trouble in the playerbase.

[Deleted]

I don't think you know what communism is mate.

[Malagan]

Anyway socialism isnt that bad, sure capitalism is better for developed societies, but socialism is much superior for undeveloped nations.

Pre WW1 Russia was a rural country with no industry whatsoever , just 2-3 decades later USSR had one of the strongest industries of the world and managed to catch up with Germany, Brittain and USA which had a 150-200 year advantage.

Same goes for ex-Yugoslavia pre WW2 it was an undeveloped capitalis country, in WW2 it was completly razed to the ground but thanks to Socialism managed to build up and be one of the more developed countries in the wordl by the 70ties.

Well, the most devloped countries at this time are pretty socialist.
Norway, highest on Human Development Index, is lead by the Socialist Worker's Party for one.

[Tayfow]

Until WoW puts a dog in space, I can't compare the two.

First alliance outpost in outland, there's a dog that leads you to some buried beads or some such shit. So... yeah.

[Deleted]

Honestly, I've kinda experienced the WoW playerbase as a reflection of dickism.

Pure, uncut, un-edited dickism.

[Mandible]

I blame their parents.

[Deleted]

And no matter how you see it Americans thinks everything remotely related to wealth-redistribution is socialism so it won't matter anyway.

Not only in the USA, also some parts of the UK (i.e. Conservatives) and right wing idiots in the rest of the EU - this is just a relic mentality of the Cold War. Unfortunately most of these people dont realise that social equality is good for everyone. This is why I would make international history & economics mandatory subjects for all children and teenagers.