Your Holy Pally and 4.0

[Divr]

So, I have no idea if I am doing something wrong or if Blizzard really just did completely screw us over. Our mana regen is terrible now, our spells cost more for less healing overall from previous, beacon of light and divine plea got nerfed, and druids/disc preists can sit there spamming 20k heals without denting their mana pools while we try the same thing and go oom so fast its not even funny. Anyone else feel this way, is their really any point to having a holy paladin in a raid healing till cata and level 85 when disc priests can sit there and dps (smite) and do as much healing as us? Im literally thinking of just benching my holy pally now or deleting him heh.

Just curious how many others out there are in the same position or what.

---------- Post added 2010-10-13 at 12:17 PM ----------

No bites? So it just me then eh.

[Audacity]

So, I have no idea if I am doing something wrong or if Blizzard really just did completely screw us over. Our mana regen is terrible now, our spells cost more for less healing overall from previous, beacon of light and divine plea got nerfed, and druids/disc preists can sit there spamming 20k heals without denting their mana pools while we try the same thing and go oom so fast its not even funny. Anyone else feel this way, is their really any point to having a holy paladin in a raid healing till cata and level 85 when disc priests can sit there and dps (smite) and do as much healing as us? Im literally thinking of just benching my holy pally now or deleting him heh.

Just curious how many others out there are in the same position or what.

---------- Post added 2010-10-13 at 12:17 PM ----------

No bites? So it just me then eh.

Welcome to 4.0 .. That's not true I play disc/holy priest and if I sit there and spam heals I go oom as well. From what I see, you still have the best throughput but not the greatest mana gen (im sure that will change soon though) as a holy pally you just need to learn how to conserve mana. Your whole play style as a hpally has changed, no longer are you spamming heals on the tank for little to no mana. + its only the first day, changes are bound to come in the near future.

[tjanson]

No, I agree with you. In Blizzard's defense, they did say things were going to be pretty crazy at 80(and that they didn't care, which is fine I suppose), and until we see how things shake out at 85 there's really no way to tell how we're going to compare to the other healers in Cataclysm. My personal opinion is that having two AOE heals that rely on positioning is counterproductive and rather clunky, but we'll see I guess.

But as it is right now? You might as well shelve the paladin til Cataclysm, unless you're a tank. Prot is still in decent enough shape, but Ret is as bad or worse than Holy.

If it's any comfort, cat druids and fury warriors feel your pain.

Oh, and here's an actual quote from our resto shaman last night: "I just can't seem to get rid of all this mana! I need more haste!"

[Ghostfaced]

I quit playing Holy in WOTLK cuz i hated it, it was boring, and i couldnt heal heroic loken to save my life. I got frustrated and said f-it. I went Ret. Now, the spec is actually playable in all situations. I ran a couple heroics and with around 4400gs i kept everyone healed VERY easily and didn't come close to running out of mana. Everytime i cast a heal it'd automatically heal me for 7k crits and the beacon if i was using the right spell. Personally, i think the changes are amazingly good and people aren't going to cringe when a holy pally wants to join something that requires more than keeping the tank alive. But that's just my opinion.

My overhealing with the previous holy paladin was super high, my effective healing right now after the changes is extremely satisfactory.

This is my spec (i have no idea if it's right): http://wowtal.com/#k=tfRJn3H.a5o.paladin.q1XPLt

[Deleted]

Love it tbh.

You just need to use the right spells, Holy Shock is your new best friend.
Beacon is really good the way it is now. If your not healing ur beacon they still recieve a nice amount of healing and if you are you get Holy Power which is awesome sauce.

[Ortho]

So, I have no idea if I am doing something wrong or if Blizzard really just did completely screw us over. Our mana regen is terrible now, our spells cost more for less healing overall from previous, beacon of light and divine plea got nerfed, and druids/disc preists can sit there spamming 20k heals without denting their mana pools while we try the same thing and go oom so fast its not even funny. Anyone else feel this way, is their really any point to having a holy paladin in a raid healing till cata and level 85 when disc priests can sit there and dps (smite) and do as much healing as us? Im literally thinking of just benching my holy pally now or deleting him heh.

Just curious how many others out there are in the same position or what.

---------- Post added 2010-10-13 at 12:17 PM ----------

No bites? So it just me then eh.

i think you might be doing it wrong. i can sit there and spam Holy Light/Shock/WoG and not lose any mana. when i do need the heavy hitter, divine light, i was standing in ironforge and laid out 56 in a row before i went OOM.

adapt or quit but please stop with the QQ. holy pally just got alot more fun

[Stubb]

You may want to consider regemming,reforging and rechanting if you have the gold, I'm sure you'd notice a difference giving up some of that crit for haste and gemming some spirit along with the int.

What spells are you using exactly? I mean with the talents as I'm looking at them, our heals should be pretty good.

At best case ignoring haste, you have the chance to do: BoL + HS + (HL or DL) + WoG(*until EG doesn't proc) + HL + HS + HS in ~ 7 seconds. That's amazing, to me anyways... And with crusade in the ret tree, the burst from a HS should be quite high.

I think it's going to be fun. At least that i264 libram is good for pve for now : ).

Stubb

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I use this btw:

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#scIbzrduufz0bZ0o

[Stubb]

I would do something like http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#scIbzrduhsz0bZMo atleast until I start raiding in cata.

Hopefully I'm not that close to the bosses/mobs enough for blessed life to have that big of an effect. pvp yeah sure. I've never had a problem with the 3 min. cd on avenging wrath (won't this expansion because DP sucks hard, put a point for the 31 limit) and never used aura mastery in icc.

You could leave it as it is, or take the point out of the judgements and put it back into crusade (I would).

Stubb

[Deleted]

Im literally thinking of just benching my holy pally now or deleting him heh.

Don't want to sound like a dick but ... Adapt or GTFO, seriously.

[Gaffer]

You may want to consider regemming,reforging and rechanting if you have the gold, I'm sure you'd notice a difference giving up some of that crit for haste and gemming some spirit along with the int.

Our Paladins reforged any non-haste piece into haste and left most everything else alone. With Holy Shock and Word of Glory, you should not be struggling with mana.

[Cyros]

Healing ICC 25 atm, having HL at 1.8sec cast isnt fast enough, and spamming FoL instead is not gonna work longterm. I might aswell go with a druid or priest instead, holy is too weak atm. Fun how u can farm the fist 9 bosses on hardmode one day and wipe on marrowgar the other day... doing it normal mode today...

[Stubb]

Gaffer, so they left their pieces that had crit and haste alone?

[Deleted]

Healing ICC 25 atm, having HL at 1.8sec cast isnt fast enough, and spamming FoL instead is not gonna work longterm. I might aswell go with a druid or priest instead, holy is too weak atm. Fun how u can farm the fist 9 bosses on hardmode one day and wipe on marrowgar the other day... doing it normal mode today...

You seriosly need to learn how to play a paladin then, i had no problems healing 10/12 heroic todaye* we stopped because no boss mobs were updated* i never went oom and tank healing was fine with the new spells we have.

[Stubb]

Kruxii, what all have you changed gear/glyph wise if at all?

Thanks,

Stubb

[Deleted]

Healing ICC 25 atm, having HL at 1.8sec cast isnt fast enough, and spamming FoL instead is not gonna work longterm.

Good thing they gave us a new heal then, maybe you should use it...

[Gaffer]

Healing ICC 25 atm, having HL at 1.8sec cast isnt fast enough, and spamming FoL instead is not gonna work longterm. I might aswell go with a druid or priest instead, holy is too weak atm. Fun how u can farm the fist 9 bosses on hardmode one day and wipe on marrowgar the other day... doing it normal mode today...

We certainly didn't experience this. We did wipe once on Heroic Marrowgar because passive cleave wasn't enough to kill Impale anymore and everyone refused to swap and once to Festergut because Vile Gas hits every ranged instead of 3 right now, but other than that, we cleared 10/12 H with no problem when we had to stop since we got a lot start. There were a couple of extra tank deaths, but I am pretty sure a lot of that has to do with our Holy Paladins adjusting and showing off with their Light of Dawn heal (which, unfortunately, should probably never be cast at this point).

Gaffer, so they left their pieces that had crit and haste alone?

Yeah. Any piece that they could not reforge into haste was untouched. I'm not sure I agree with that since I imagine a second stat has to be worth more than the others, but I haven't played as Holy so can't really argue.

[DrBOrpheus]

and druids/disc preists can sit there spamming 20k heals without denting their mana pools while we try the same thing and go oom so fast its not even funny.

Lol, yes because druids and disc priests are know for huge heals. Even on ptr, druids couldn't "spam" a 20K heal. Healing Touch can crit for 20K but with its high cast time and high cost its pointless (everyone's dead and no one needs that much healing) and you will definitely go oom. Otherwise you'd need a crapload of crit and haste, which is currently unavailable.

All healers were hugely nerfed, but at least you have a while to adjust.

[Cyros]

Im not saying im going oom, but i cant spamm divine light all day either, ffs im just mad that i cant top healing as usual:P

[Stubb]

Man, I forgot you can't reforge a stat into a stat that already exists.... that leaves like 2 pieces to reforge . Well that makes me feel a little better, I still may enchant my legs, shoulder and head with the spirit one's instead and my boots. I'm just glad to know that none have had to alter gems.

Thanks!