this what happens when you call ghostcrawler out

[Racetrack]

At 85 on the beta, they arent in full, end-tier raiding gear. They aren't in any raiding gear at all. So, this tells me that Blizzard tuned things for 85 raiding, and you are just too immature or dumb to accept that we will have a month and a half of undertuned damage, because we aren't set up optimally at 80. Also, Jarbulldog, could you please learn to spell check and use proper grammar? It is hurting my eyes reading your crap.

Isn't that what they were trying to fix in the first place? The fact that we were truly awful without the right gear and with full end tier gear we would over perform. So now what you are saying is that rage normalization, all the blue posts about this, etc and all the changes were actually to keep us exactly as we were before the patch?

[Quenchiest]

Ok i will listen to your point that i have to deal with it for 6 weeks, but why should have a broken class that blizz is using as a tool for 6 weeks? isnt that what the ptrs and beta are for?

Blizzard already warned everyone that nothing was tuned for 80. While it might be upsetting to you to know you can't top the charts currently, that's just how it's going to be for awhile. Mages are out of control right now, but I can't say that concerns me since I know everything is going to be a whirlwind of shit until cataclysm actually comes out.

[Vudu]

You posted like a petulant child and got the reaction a petulant child deserves.

This. Your post proved nothing and merely spouted off insults against blizzard. The link you provided just shows the damage log of a fight, which is affected by a vast amount of factors. You didn't bother to include any in-depth analysis and proceeded to yell at Blizzard for things not going your way. And finally, you seem to believe you have some right to 'call blizzard out.' You don't. Ghostcrawler responding on the forums is just a method of getting feedback for improving the game and they don't actually have to respond at all. The more morons like you he has to read through, the less actual work he gets done.

More importantly, you're complaining about something that Blizzard has already says they are not balancing around. The game is being balanced around lvl 85 now, get used to it.

Imo, you deserved a longer ban, since you clearly didn't learn anything from this one.

[Deleted]

What I'm hearing is "QQ I'M BAD AND CAN'T LEARN TO ADAPT TO CLASS CHANGES!" Seriously, learn to play your class and adapt to it. Don't go on forums and cry about it; Go on forums to learn how to play better. I play fury, and am doing 5.4k dps completely unbuffed on target dummies. In a raid, fully buffed, I expect to be doing 10 or 11k. Yes, this is 2-3k less than before, but it's a patch meant to tune classes for Cataclysm and level 85, so I'm not freaking out and throwing a QQ fit on mmo-champion. Gem to meet socket bonuses; Str in red, str/hit in blue, and str/crit in yellow, and reforge all your haste to hit. Then, essentially just use your old rotation swapping WW for RB. That's ALL you need to do. Btw, don't be surprised if Devlin, Battousai, or Kysimir lock this due to QQ.

Adapt? Nothing much changed, only one skill replaced in main rotation and more rage managing. People QQ because the dps loss is rather hardcore and its a lot more then 2-3k. Extremely good geared people push max 12-13k atm with fury, so its kinda low or what, cause other hybrids push a lot more out with crappier gear. We will wait now when you come back and QQ about your raid dps too.

[JeKv]

Basically, what everyone else has said. The game as of 4.0.1 is balanced for level 85 characters, not 80. If you're one of the classes that gets a huge buff from this, congratulations. If you're one of the classes that sees a pretty big nerf, tough shit.

It's frustrating, but it'll only last a month or two. It would be a waste of Blizzard's time (And ours, for that matter) to put much energy into balancing something that will only exist for another 2 months. Play an alt, play another game, whatever.

[Deleted]

Adapt? Nothing much changed, only one skill replaced in main rotation and more rage managing. People QQ because the dps loss is rather hardcore and its a lot more then 2-3k. Extremely good geared people push max 12-13k atm with fury, so its kinda low or what, cause other hybrids push a lot more out with crappier gear. We will wait now when you come back and QQ about your raid dps too.

"Extremely good geared" does not mean "extremely good players".

The best warrior player could be competetive with every other class, even now.

[Marraphy]

I lolled at the first post

It's ok to show the proof that Fury warriors' damage was cut in half and such, but I'm thinking he banned you because of the bitchy/QQ way you wrote that post... and you called the poor man stupid.

I'm sure the devs have heard enough complaining on the forums, and Fury warriors were probably nerfed because they did too much damage. It's silly to quit the game over a nerf.. plus, the reason some people are doing less damage at 85 than at 80 MIGHT because they're not playing right, it's not always Blizzard's fault. The rotations have changed, and you need to stack different stats. If you're complaining about any kind of numbers on live right now at 80, then you need to learn that they're balancing the game around 85, not 80.

Instead of complaining, I suggest you wait until the Devs decide to do something about it. If they don't, then it's more likely to be player error, and you'll just need to get more accustomed to the class.

I mean, there are so many people on my realm who won't shut up in trade chat because everything is out of whack and they don't know how to play their class anymore... it gets annoying -_-

[psdew1813]

seriously every random dungeon iv been in so far on my warr (fury BTW) iv been top dps by a HUGE margin im talkin 35-38% total damage here but then again i spent the time to see what was needed to get a new rotation down and im still twicking it a lil so imo just go do a few randoms n get the fix ona new rotation and im sure ull be back up on the dps chart.

[Deleted]

"Extremely good geared" does not mean "extremely good players".

The best warrior player could be competetive with every other class, even now.

Well, if you are so sure then show me those competitive warriors, some kind proof would be rather cool, like world of logs link or smth. Good luck.

[Kimirik]

are u a fury warrior? I have regemmed and reforged and spent time on the dummy trying to figure thus out but when people in all 277 gear with shadowmorne are having issues as well, maybe people should stop coming back with learn your class, is that your answer for everything? Have the people that have said that looked at logs? Do they actually play a warrior?

If you had bothered to read my post, you would see that right in the middle it says, "I play fury, and am doing 5.4k dps completely unbuffed on target dummies." Also, part of it IS that you need to learn to play your class. If you look at that log, both Keensteel and Santasreaper don't have Raging Blow as one of their top 5 damage dealers. Obviously, they aren't using it enough, or staying enraged enough. It is my #4 damage ability atm.

[Deleted]

If you had bothered to read my post, you would see that right in the middle it says, "I play fury, and am doing 5.4k dps completely unbuffed on target dummies." Also, part of it IS that you need to learn to play your class. If you look at that log, both Keensteel and Santasreaper don't have Raging Blow as one of their top 5 damage dealers. Obviously, they aren't using it enough, or staying enraged enough. It is my #4 damage ability atm.

There is nothing to learn, its the new scaling for fury warriors that lets you make higher dps on dummy.

[Deleted]

Well, if you are so sure then show me those competitive warriors, some kind proof would be rather cool, like world of logs link or smth. Good luck.

You can spend hours and hours of looking at WoL charts of warriors doing this and that amount of damage and you will be none the wiser.

You know what I would guess? Fury DPS was way too easy before, and now those players are actually being challenged to play their class really well.

And not everyone can step up to it. You seem to fit in to that mold, unfortunately.

[Kimirik]

Isn't that what they were trying to fix in the first place? The fact that we were truly awful without the right gear and with full end tier gear we would over perform. So now what you are saying is that rage normalization, all the blue posts about this, etc and all the changes were actually to keep us exactly as we were before the patch?

The idea was to fix rage issues. Rage issues are fixed. It doesn't start where we have no rage in crap gear and unlimited in good gear.

[Deleted]

You can spend hours and hours of looking at WoL charts of warriors doing this and that amount of damage and you will be none the wiser.

You know what I would guess? Fury DPS was way too easy before, and now those players are actually being challenged to play their class really well.

And not everyone can step up to it. You seem to fit in to that mold, unfortunately.

Well, like I said, the rotation has not changed much, one skill got replaced and there is more rage play + some enrage for RB. And you can learn a lot from wol, cause you see what you are lacking or what skills you are using wrong. It just seems to me that you want to troll, so gl.

[jarbulldog]

wow people are missing it, when I have done tests and looked at logs things just dont hit that hard anymore, bt for example is hiting for about 50% less.

for these people saying they are just as competive, please post the logs to prove what you are saying

[Wonderboy]

I saw the post and thought you deserved it. Yeah you might have a point but a) WoL doesn't conclusively prove it (there are many variables in 1 WoL report) b) you were a pretty rude. Deserved what you got i'm afraid.

[Heywes]

Fury warriors have been majorly glimp and blizz wont admit it, and when you call them they banned you. They wont answer the questions or explain. People have been complaining about the ptr and even in the beta 85 warriors are doing less then 80 warriors before this patch, something is wrong.

---------- Post added 2010-10-13 at 10:56 PM ----------



what link are u looking for

everything is doing less damage at 85 then they were at 80 pretty much, this isn't much of a shock....
Gear scaling is getting over hauled....

[Bowz]

I agree with op. My lock in naxx/uld gear is doing 2-3k more dps then my near BIS warrior... I'd call that broken.

[axelnomnom]

Usually when you cry like a kid people don't listen to you. Ghostcrawler was probably thinking "wow this kid is annoying. All he does is cry and demand buffed damage instead of adapting to the new talents" then smacked you with a nice banhammer so he can listen to people come to him with charts and proof of what you think is wrong.

You deserved it. And now you're going to QQ about it here? Please go away.

[rabbimojo]

Fury warriors have been majorly glimp and blizz wont admit it, and when you call them they banned you. They wont answer the questions or explain. People have been complaining about the ptr and even in the beta 85 warriors are doing less then 80 warriors before this patch, something is wrong.[...]

The role forums are for feedback.
The role forums are not for Blizz announcements unless they choose to make them there.
The role forums are not for you to demand answers or explanations.

There is no need for Blizz to "admit" there's an issue - such an admission comes when changes show up in the patch notes.

---------- Post added 2010-10-13 at 04:43 PM ----------

I agree with op. My lock in naxx/uld gear is doing 2-3k more dps then my near BIS warrior... I'd call that broken.

It seems pretty obvious that warriors (and many other specs) are broken, either too high or too low. That has nothing to do with the OP's ridiculousness. Which do you agree with?