Ret AoE

[Leolis]

So after reading some of this stuff here that our AoE kinda blows, we have to charge up for Divine Storm our Holy Wrath does not deal much damage and i guess LOL Consecration? Oh well, anyhow here is what i suggest in order to fix that.

Divine Storm now shares the CD with CS. It deals a flat 110% weapon damage to all targets or i could deal less. It also generates one HP.

Sanctity of Battle now also allows haste to lower the cd of DS.

Zealotry now makes DS generate 3 HP

Holy Wrath now costs HP, no cooldown. It deals holy damage to all enemies based on holy power consumed. At 3HP it stuns all demons/undead and what ever else the glyph adds on top of more holy damage.

It is a really simple change that could be done to give us more umph in AoE situations. As for DS damage it could be lowered to 100% weapon damage.

[Xs]

Or they could leave it as it is, as we are balanced exactly the same way as every other classes AoE?

The only reason our AoE sucks now is because casters haven't had their base mana pools catch up with their gear level, at 85 you can't spam AoE thus we become balanced

Not that our AoE is even worth using most of the time now, it takes about 5-6 targets for DS to out damage TV

[Leolis]

Well having to ramp up for an AoE through Single Target kinda blows.

[Sinister Knight]

Exactly the same way eh? I think not...and I'll withhold my opinion about "balance" when I actually see lvl 85 and compare to the other classes and specs for aoe.

[Leolis]

Well its not really the same way, its just like you use DS to generate HP in aoe situations instead of having to use CS to generate HP in AoE situations, it really seems more logical to use DS to generate HP in AoE and use Holy Wrath for AoE damage from the HP instead.

[Foibles]

So you're asking for free cleave again? it's not just Rets, most aoe spells were nerfed.

[Leolis]

Well its just after reading about peoples opinions regarding this and how the AoE has a lot left to be desired it seems like a good change. If need be lower the damage of DS to an amount appropriate for the job. But the system here I suggested is good.

[Rio]

So you're asking for free cleave again? it's not just Rets, most aoe spells were nerfed.

We still have a cleave?

What most people forget is SoR can become a "cleave" effect via talent tree. Makes short work of trash pulls, and a true -skilled- paladin can keep censure (SoT) on the boss while still cleaving adds via SoR.

Works for me. I'm in love with our class.

[delcatty]

Or they could leave it as it is, as we are balanced exactly the same way as every other classes AoE?

The only reason our AoE sucks now is because casters haven't had their base mana pools catch up with their gear level, at 85 you can't spam AoE thus we become balanced

Not that our AoE is even worth using most of the time now, it takes about 5-6 targets for DS to out damage TV

think that the point u shouldnt be using aoe unless there is +5 targets

[Foibles]

No, I meant getting HoPo from Divine Storm and effectively replacing CS.

[Rio]

Well its not really the same way, its just like you use DS to generate HP in aoe situations instead of having to use CS to generate HP in AoE situations, it really seems more logical to use DS to generate HP in AoE and use Holy Wrath for AoE damage from the HP instead.

I like this. You should post this on the Blizz forums.

[Munk]

They can counter balance DS as a "free" cleave for ret by increasing its mana cost.....

It works both ways. Even warriors can build their version of HP for their ww with an aoe attack, its odd that ret cant.

[Vizardlorde]

how is doing 150% weapon damage after 10-14 seconds balanced equally to classes that do 4k damage every second to each target every single second with out any ramp up?

[Shadowmelded]

In an enviroment where CC will play a bigger role, I'd rather not give bads a viable way to consistantly ignore and break CC and justify it with "but it gives HP"

When cata hits I believe we'll be moving to a enviroment where single target and swaps will be a better option, and with HP not being bound to the target like CP, our single point shouldn't be too bad at all. (The mechanics are still stupid and clunky though)

[Leolis]

I already posted this on the blizz forums. I just got to thinking about this earlier after reading the sticky ret thread here. Because I keep hearing Divine Storm seems wasted with the Holy Power and well Holy Wrath kinda blows this would fix it. Just seriously blowing 3hp for our an AoE move just kinda hurts considering we have to ramp up single target when we are supposed to AoE.

And I meant to put on increase mana cost to it, not a free spell to throw around. And even in a CC based environment there will be AoE situations just not as faceroll as we had in Wrath. And if bads break your CC kick them.

[delcatty]

how is doing 150% weapon damage after 10-14 seconds balanced equally to classes that do 4k damage every second to each target every single second with out any ramp up?

cause it cost about 25% of there mana

[chir0n]

Most AOE has been nerfed. In cataclysm dungeon systems theres is no need to AOE through dungeons.
If you're still thinking that AOE is as viable in cata as it is in wotlk you better wake up

[Leolis]

I pretty much said it wont be aoe like wotlk. "And even in a CC based environment there will be AoE situations just not as faceroll as we had in Wrath." See that there? Yes, now anyways there wont be much AoE but it would be good to have a nice AoE set up in those events.

[Foibles]

how is doing 150% weapon damage after 10-14 seconds balanced equally to classes that do 4k damage every second to each target every single second with out any ramp up?

Because That extra damage applies to the second or third target while the others are just using single target.

[Agathon]

dks and warriors still have free cleave without sacrificing single target dmg like a ret paladin. warrior cleave is buffed not nerfed and is still dmg source #1 on many boss encounters in icc. i quote myself from the sticky thread:

Recount - warrior Hostile Attacks: Cleave
1. Hit 128 (60%) (Min: 7838 Avg: 12598 Max: 16572)
2. Crit 83 (39%) (Min: 21086 Avg: 26168 Max: 34138)
on a three second cd, if ww = ds....what equals cleave on the ret paladin? the disgusting low sor ? how is there not any kind of situation in all of the cata dungeons or raids where this will reign supreme? you cant honestly think that...

and now try again!