WHy are pallies critting for over 20k with hammer?

[zeroto]

I don't understand if I just missed it. I really don't remember seeing this since the patch went live until today.
Hammer of Wrath hitting for 20k plus on a 700 resil target ? I know everyone is op but is this some sort of exploit?

[Maeleena]

Considering they normally hit for almost 40-45k crits, 20k critting isn't that outrageous.

You also have to remember that damage and PVP are balanced for 85, not 80. We don't have the health pools we will have at 85. I mean the tanks on the PTR have like almost 200k hp, meaning we will easily be in the 60k range for dps/healers.

[Missbftw]

I don't understand if I just missed it. I really don't remember seeing this since the patch went live until today.
Hammer of Wrath hitting for 20k plus on a 700 resil target ? I know everyone is op but is this some sort of exploit?

Dispell the wings, no more HoW. Simple (i presume that your talking about pvp right?)

[nafreyue]

Considering they normally hit for almost 40-45k crits, 20k critting isn't that outrageous.

You also have to remember that damage and PVP are balanced for 85, not 80. We don't have the health pools we will have at 85. I mean the tanks on the PTR have like almost 200k hp, meaning we will easily be in the 60k range for dps/healers.

Dps and healers are almost pushing the 100k HP mark in cata

[Maeleena]

Dps and healers are almost pushing the 100k HP mark in cata

You say 'potato' I say 'pota...'

Either way my point still stands.

[snipeshot24]

because it was suppose to be the paladin version of execute or kill shot, but instead it only hit for maybe 5k or so before the patch and was very bad.. now its been bumped up to be like kill shot or execute.

[Nabuza]

I think you should get more then 700 resil imo

[Saethwyr]

hasn't kill shot and execute done that amount of damage for ages?
also its holy damage, not physical, might explain some of the extent of the damage if im wrong about KS and exec.

[jobdone]

because it was suppose to be the paladin version of execute or kill shot, but instead it only hit for maybe 5k or so before the patch and was very bad.. now its been bumped up to be like kill shot or execute.

I wish my execute's crit for 40k+

[Varamis]

I wish my execute's crit for 40k+

Unbuffed my Execute's are critting for 22k I only have 234 average gear so I can't imagine what could be dished out buffed with CD's popped.

[zeroto]

That's the thing it wasn't a traditional "execute" execute happens at less than 20% right? I think it might have been Templar's Verdict and this pally was very very good at charging his holy power (2/3 of the people int he bg quit). I thought I remembered seeing Hammer of Wrath in the log for a 20k crit then again after he hit me a couple of times for a final blow, but it might have been the other thing. The reason I think it was a hammer of some sort is because he did it form a small range 5-10 yds.

Basically he would look at me and others at 100% life and two shot us. I don't get it because we were mostly well geared.

[Grimsdott]

Unbuffed my Execute's are critting for 22k I only have 234 average gear so I can't imagine what could be dished out buffed with CD's popped.

50k give or take, in ICC gear + buff

[Deleted]

We don't have the 85 health pools but we don't have the cata spell/attack power. Every item have about 2 times more intellect on 85 blues than lvl 80 hc tiers. Not only the health pools will be doubled/tripled but our dmg too.

[Dominic42]

That's the thing it wasn't a traditional "execute" execute happens at less than 20% right? I think it might have been Templar's Verdict and this pally was very very good at charging his holy power (2/3 of the people int he bg quit). I thought I remembered seeing Hammer of Wrath in the log for a 20k crit then again after he hit me a couple of times for a final blow, but it might have been the other thing. The reason I think it was a hammer of some sort is because he did it form a small range 5-10 yds.

Basically he would look at me and others at 100% life and two shot us. I don't get it because we were mostly well geared.

Hammer of Wrath is long range. It may have been Templar's Verdict, like you said.

[Varamis]

That's the thing it wasn't a traditional "execute" execute happens at less than 20% right? I think it might have been Templar's Verdict, but this pally was very very good at charging his holy power (2/3 of the people int he bg quit). I thought I remembered seeing Hammer of Wrath in the log for a 20k crit then again after he hit me a couple of times for a final blow, but it might have been the other thing. The reason I think it was a hammer of some sort is because he did it form a small range 5-10 yds.

Basically he would look at me and others at 100% life and two shot us. I don't get it because we were mostly well geared.

I'd check your logs and get some specifics. Honestly though I wouldn't put to much thought into it as others have said, the numbers are off right now because they are more balanced for 85. This has happened before every expansion. They just hot fixed paladins, fury warriors, and feral druids. So expect to see some high numbers out of them. 20k crits are not rare, I'm sure almost any class can pull it off these days.

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50k give or take, in ICC gear + buff

Nice.

[Xart]

BS. My highest crit I ever have done is 27k on a none resi target with wings up. With berserking it would be around 33k something. On targets with heavy resi(1200+) it crits for 9-11k.

And yeah it's fucked up. But so is paladin damage overall atm. We rely loads of procs. Our damage can be terribad for 20 sec. Then all of a sudden we proc everything and pop wings and dish out insane damage. Tho any healer with a clue can outheal it but warriors etc it's bye bye if you don't pop shield wall straight away.

[BDF]

Considering they normally hit for almost 40-45k crits, 20k critting isn't that outrageous.

You also have to remember that damage and PVP are balanced for 85, not 80. We don't have the health pools we will have at 85. I mean the tanks on the PTR have like almost 200k hp, meaning we will easily be in the 60k range for dps/healers.

I've never seen a 40k hit with the new hammer of wrath...not even fully raid buffed with the icc %30.

20k however on a low resil target I can believe and I have done before (full wrathful+wings+2 attack power trinkets+shadowmourne).

There's a new mechanic for ret that allows them to use Hammer of Wrath whenever wings are up. It's damage is higher than it should be right now (maybe it shouldn't benefit from wing's damage bonus if target is above %20) but it's on a 4.5 sec CD and only useable with wings up (if you want to find ways around it until it's changed)

But look on the bright side...it's hitting for the SAME amount at lvl 85..scaling is atrocious atm.

[jaimelannister]

hasn't kill shot and execute done that amount of damage for ages?
also its holy damage, not physical, might explain some of the extent of the damage if im wrong about KS and exec.

Kill Shot used to hit for huge numbers. 4.0.1 nerfed it into the ground, however.

[Deleted]

Kill Shot used to hit for huge numbers. 4.0.1 nerfed it into the ground, however.

Indeed, my kill shot is critting for 15k o_O

[zeroto]

I've never seen a 40k hit with the new hammer of wrath...not even fully raid buffed with the icc %30.

20k however on a low resil target I can believe and I have done before (full wrathful+wings+2 attack power trinkets+shadowmourne).

There's a new mechanic for ret that allows them to use Hammer of Wrath whenever wings are up. It's damage is higher than it should be right now (maybe it shouldn't benefit from wing's damage bonus if target is above %20) but it's on a 4.5 sec CD and only useable with wings up (if you want to find ways around it until it's changed)

But look on the bright side...it's hitting for the SAME amount at lvl 85..scaling is atrocious atm.

That must have been it. Don't kill me but that is a detail I forgot to mention cringes* ducks* thanks though guys