So OP why dont you just go straight for the hardmode/heroic stuff?? Why put another ilvl-tier between normal and hardmodes? I know the difference between heroic-mode gear and normalmode gear when I see it, then I think ok, that fella has more time to put in this game and a bit more successful guild than I do and gz for that. Of course I also think it would be cool to also have heroic gear on my toons too, but RL taking over most of the times so I just dont have that much time to put or other way, my guild just aint that competitive to reach that level of raiding. Im fine with it. Enjoy your boast or stroking your epeen, ill be happy with myself and my achievements in this game. Why does it mean so much to hardcore players that there should be a grandcanyon between them and others??? Tell me.