Frostfire Orb and Cold Snap

[Garlic]

Sup. Anyone know if Cold Snap will reset Frostfire Orb, or is it a fire spell after the talents? I know fire power makes it blow up and if you have frostfire orb it dose frostfire damage. Have a feeling it dose not, b/c if it did I am sure someone would have gone to town about it by now.

[Kuni Zyrekai]

It resets FFO. Having two up at once is amusing.

[Garlic]

Well holy shit, Frostfire Orb got Suited up. Thanks for the answer.

[Swizzle]

It resets FFO. Having two up at once is amusing.

Does it move the spell to the frost school? Because if not then that makes as much sense as Marisa Tomei winning an Oscar.

[Kuni Zyrekai]

It does not move it, which as you said makes very little sense. But it is considered a frost spell with that talent in place and cold snap does indeed reset the cooldown.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/665...2110150702.jpg It is quite fun though.

[Agroculture]

Does it move the spell to the frost school? Because if not then that makes as much sense as Marisa Tomei winning an Oscar.

Hey she was cute in that film!

[Abandon]

Does it move the spell to the frost school? Because if not then that makes as much sense as Marisa Tomei winning an Oscar.

Technically you should also be complaining that Frostfire Bolt is currently in the Fire tab even though it does not deal Fire damage. Frostfire Orb and Frostfire Bolt being in the same tab seems to make sense to me.

[Swizzle]

Technically you should also be complaining that Frostfire Bolt is currently in the Fire tab even though it does not deal Fire damage. Frostfire Orb and Frostfire Bolt being in the same tab seems to make sense to me.

Yes, they're both in the fire school, the problem is that cold snap resets your FROST spells. So by definition, it shouldn't reset any spell in your fire school, or anything outside the frost school for that matter.

[TheWerebison]

Yes, they're both in the fire school, the problem is that cold snap resets your FROST spells. So by definition, it shouldn't reset any spell in your fire school, or anything outside the frost school for that matter.

I dunno, I say if a green gem counts as both a blue and yellow gem, a "frost""fire" spell should count as both frost and fire.

[Abandon]

Yes, they're both in the fire school, the problem is that cold snap resets your FROST spells. So by definition, it shouldn't reset any spell in your fire school, or anything outside the frost school for that matter.

Frostfire is not in the Fire school, it is on the Fire page of your spellbook. It is in the Frostfire school. Cold Snap resets your FROST spells as you mentioned. It doesn't say "Resets the cooldown of your Frost spells on the Frost page of your spell book"

Frostfire is counted as both Frost and Fire. Every other talent which says it benefits Frost or Fire works with Frostfire Bolt. It seems pretty obvious that Cold Snap should reset the cooldown.

Another example would be Mana Burn. It is on the Discipline page of your spellbook, but it is a Shadow spell.

[Swizzle]

Considering the spell is actually Flame Orb, and the only thing that makes it remotely frosty is a talent which makes it a FFB orb. The spell was coded primarily as a fire spell, just like Living Bomb, and stays a fire spell even after the talent application. This is the first time a non-frost spell is being reset by Cold Snap, so there's no precedent, it just seems odd and could lead to issues and bugs later on.

[Abandon]

I just assumed that it worked like every other talent does, where if it says it specifically works with Frost or Fire spells it will work with Frostfire spells. Also, Frostfire Orb is listed as a completely separate spell in the game, with a different spell ID and tooltip. It even gets a unique icon

[Deleted]

Ah well lets QQ to blizz because it is a frostfire spell and it SHOULD reset frostfire orb because it is frost :/.

[brirrspliff]

Does it move the spell to the frost school? Because if not then that makes as much sense as Marisa Tomei winning an Oscar.

i think it's both. as in it's name. it's both FROST and FIRE. so it benefits from both schools, like FROST-FIRE-bolt.

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Yes, they're both in the fire school, the problem is that cold snap resets your FROST spells. So by definition, it shouldn't reset any spell in your fire school, or anything outside the frost school for that matter.

the orb is frost as much as it is fire. with your logic, frostfire bolt would not benefit from a single frost talent - which it does since the beginning. so with THAT logic, frostfire orb has to be resetted by coldsnap. i like logic.

[Deleted]

@brirrspliff true that it is both a fire and frost spell but the problem is that frostfire bolt is in the fire part of the spellbook and if frostfire orb stays in the fire side of things will it still reset hence the term FROST fire?

[Abandon]

@brirrspliff true that it is both a fire and frost spell but the problem is that frostfire bolt is in the fire part of the spellbook and if frostfire orb stays in the fire side of things will it still reset hence the term FROST fire?

Where it is in the spellbook has nothing to do with what type of spell school it is.

[Swizzle]

My point was the FFB was specifically designed, from the ground up, as a mix of both frost and fire. Unlike FFB orb which starts out as a pure fire spell, ala Flame Orb, then gets morphed via talents into something else entirely. Point being, this is the first time they're doing this with us, so it's hard to say how it will pan out, it's just striking when you first read that cold snap is resetting the cooldown of a fire spell.

[Abandon]

My point was the FFB was specifically designed, from the ground up, as a mix of both frost and fire. Unlike FFB orb which starts out as a pure fire spell, ala Flame Orb, then gets morphed via talents into something else entirely.

Well, actually, Frostfire Bolt started out doing either Frost or Fire damage, depending on the targets resistance, and was changed to deal Frostfire damage later. Once they did, we were able to see that with a Frostfire spell, all talents which affect Frost and Fire both work with it, such as Ice Shards and Ignite. With testing from the Beta and the current game we can see this is the same for all spells which have dual-damage types, such as Shadowfrost damage from Mind Spike and Spellstorm damage from Starsurge.

Point being, this is the first time they're doing this with us, so it's hard to say how it will pan out, it's just striking when you first read that cold snap is resetting the cooldown of a fire spell.

That's the thing though, it's not a Fire spell. Frostfire Orb and Flame Orb are two separate spells. Flame Orb is a Fire spell and so is not reset by Cold Snap. Frostfire Orb is a Frostfire spell, so if a talent (like Cold Snap) says it affects Frost spells, it will affect it.

It may be easier if you stop thinking of Frostfire Orb as a modified Flame Orb and start thinking of it as a completely separate spell, since that is basically what it is.

[Swizzle]

Guess I'll have to play around with it to see -.-

Curse my room mate and not letting me make a mage on beta.

[Kuni Zyrekai]

I do see where Swizzle is coming from though and somewhat agree. Speccing frostfire orb should really remove flame orb and give frostfire orb on the frost tab as an actual spell as opposed to the current using of flame orb icon/tooltip but firing a different spell.