10% str

[Managarm_4]

gl with that Antilux.


TBH, I have reforged most of my gear for mastery, dunno if its the best but im trying it out, at least for pvp and its working great vs healers

[Gunslinger]

It's quite a shot for us UH DKs. I think with this change Frost will be surely dominating the meters now for PvE. Either that or we'll all gem haste instead of strength :P

I'd love a mastery that improves either pet damage at mentioned above or something that's more dynamic like per say a proc that would work on pet crits ( say when your ghoul crits your haste is increase by 20-30% modified by mastery rating ).

As said above, it may not be much at lvl 80 but at 85 there's going to be quite a gap builder. Hope we get something in return.

[Managarm_4]

I have read a lot about Unholy Dks gemming Haste for pvp as well......dunno if Im mistaken or I didnt get the memo of haste =P, I do realize haste is amazing nowadays, granted, BUT I have reforged all my gear for mastery, diseases are hitting REALLY hard, Runic Corruption is an amazing talent that provides no downtime pretty much and which allows you to prioritize your abilities.

Also, im running around with Unholy Presence AND talented Unholy Presence, as well as Sudden Doom.

so those 3 things should be enough imo..... Im talking pvpwise though..... maybe it works the same for pve, havent tested it at all.

[Deleted]

I'm not on Beta, but how is Ghoul damage at 85? It seems really high now, especially in AoE. Also:

Hey guys we're nerfing passive 'free' AoE and Cleaves. We don't like that some melee classes such as Ret Paladins performed really well on fights with adds.
Pestilence back up to 100% as Unholy and Ghoul getting a Cleave that hits ridiculously hard.

What? I think I actually do more 'free' AoE now than I did Pre-Patch on my DK.

[Foibles]

Mastery also/or causes your diseases to be affected by haste.

Yay haste!

[Skyrim the Souless]

Impurity was horrible.....

Really? Really your going to say that...Your spells receive an additional 20% benefit from your attack power.. this being taken out is the reason we got the 15% str bonus in the first place. Bad DK is bad.

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I have read a lot about Unholy Dks gemming Haste for pvp as well......dunno if Im mistaken or I didnt get the memo of haste =P, I do realize haste is amazing nowadays, granted, BUT I have reforged all my gear for mastery, diseases are hitting REALLY hard, Runic Corruption is an amazing talent that provides no downtime pretty much and which allows you to prioritize your abilities.

Also, im running around with Unholy Presence AND talented Unholy Presence, as well as Sudden Doom.

so those 3 things should be enough imo..... Im talking pvpwise though..... maybe it works the same for pve, havent tested it at all.

Their's a soft cap were crit becomes more important but that's after 30% according to EJ's numbers however this changes quite a lot since the reason crit becomes more important after 30% haste was tied to our dots. But yes it's Hit(till cap)>Str>Haste(till soft cap)>Crit>Mastery.

[Soady]

And if you think unholy are bad then watch swiftley new movie.. they are on 1st place on burst

[Zerioc]

And if you think unholy are bad then watch swiftley new movie.. they are on 1st place on burst

No they weren't.


There was like 3 - 5 specs above Unholy. Besides, did you see the DW Frost DK he fought? I hear D&D is good single target burst >< I wouldn't put much emphasis on any of those numbers.

[Skyrim the Souless]

And if you think unholy are bad then watch swiftley new movie.. they are on 1st place on burst

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/...n_Citadel/dps/
You can see ppl's uploaded dps charts on average Unohly aren't the best dps. Really right now mages need a nerf bat imo.

[Deleted]

The mastery is pretty shit in every way considering single target fights.
However I reforged some of my pvp gear to play around a bit in bg's and seeing your screen filled with huge (inbefore flamers, huge for dots) yellow numbers is pretty neat ö

[Deleted]

Really? Really your going to say that...Your spells receive an additional 20% benefit from your attack power.. this being taken out is the reason we got the 15% str bonus in the first place. Bad DK is bad.

Impurity was nothing, it was previously a talent converted to a passive to fill in a gap, it wasn't altered in the least from it's talent and it just totally sucked from the beginning.

How many abilities would actually benefit from that? Let's see. Icy Touch. Oh wait, that already sucks. Beyond 80 you wouldn't even use it anymore due to Outbreak and Festering Strike anyway. Blood Boil. Not sure about this one actually, guessing not since it isn't affected by Virulence either. Death Coil. Aha. Death Coil. Now its useful. For one spell in an Unholy Death Knight's arsenal...... Can it get anymore horrible?

Like you said, Bad DK is bad.

[Darkguyver2020]

Like you said, Bad DK is bad.

Old meme is old.

[Deleted]

Old meme is old.

My bad... was too lazy to think of another one

[Foibles]

Last I checked, Impurity increased Death Coil, Icy Touch, Blood Boil, and diseases.

[Deleted]

Now that you mention it, didn't it increase DnD too? Least in WotLK I believe it did, but turning it from a Talent into a passive was.... Stupid.

[Foibles]

Yeah, I forgot DnD.

Anything that wasn't a strike was increased I think.

[Skyrim the Souless]

How many abilities would actually benefit from that? Let's see. Icy Touch. Oh wait, that already sucks. Beyond 80 you wouldn't even use it anymore due to Outbreak and Festering Strike anyway. Blood Boil. Not sure about this one actually, guessing not since it isn't affected by Virulence either. Death Coil. Aha. Death Coil. Now its useful. For one spell in an Unholy Death Knight's arsenal...... Can it get anymore horrible?

Anything that did shadow damage or that had a spell damage portion had a huge benefit from this
our dieases do shadow damage which is spell damage
Scourge Strike Shadow portion is spell damage
Icy touch is spell damage
Death Coil is spell damage
DnD is spell damage
Blood Boil is spell damage
...need I go on or do you get it now.
You make our class look bad.
Impurity was the one of the most powerful things about Unholy DKs once in a previous patch Frost DKs tried to get it to use with Howling blast that was a powerful build back before Uldaur.

[Deleted]

Icy Touch deals weak damage and wouldn't be used by Unholy after 81, as I already said. Regardless of what it affects, it was weak compared to the Strength we have now. Next time I'll make sure I check every syllable in the dick-tionary so I don't get more of you flaming me for not liking something as boring as a 20% spell damage increase. The Strength we gained when they finally dumped it is much better, since it affects one of our other main moves - Festering Strike (among other things).

Haven't you got any other insults left btw? Recycling stuff is just pathetic. And as I already said - I don't play Dps. Yeah, so you are highly inaccurate. Let's see how much you know about Tanking, I'd love to tell you how horrible you make DK Tanks look.

[Shiira]

Scourge strike never benefited from impurity.

[Skyrim the Souless]

Scourge strike never benefited from impurity.

The shadow portion used to double tip into it.

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Icy Touch deals weak damage and wouldn't be used by Unholy after 81, as I already said. Regardless of what it affects, it was weak compared to the Strength we have now.(among other things).
Yeah, so you are highly inaccurate. Let's see how much you know about Tanking, I'd love to tell you how horrible you make DK Tanks look.

You said Impurity was horrible I said that was an inaccurate statement and proved you wrong..easy In 3.5 Unholy DKs Dps at BiSs Impurity was one of the best dps per point talents in the unholy tree. And if your not dps don't use the "I'm not even a dps" excuse you shouldn't have commented if you didn't know then saved me the time of proving you wrong. Honestly you can't state an opinion like 2 is bigger then 1, numbers being less and greater then each other is considered a fact thus can be proven wrong I don't wanna agrue with someone on a issue that already has covered http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...alent-Impurity. Never seen you tank and honestly couldn't care less. Never said anything about 4.0 change, on Topic tho @OP the 5% str nerf was prob to keep us in line as we are one of the best dps @lv85 and all things considering we are a hybrid dps class so all the pures are expecting a tax on us. Pay up

@Alcotraz I'm not trying to insult you just saying your not so good it's a statement not a insult your a bad (dps their it's more correct now) DK deal with it and post on http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...alent-Impurity if you want to make a statement about impurity in 3.5 otherwise shut up.