I dont even feel like a HoT healer anymore...

[Stormhusk]

Ok before I give my statement I want to let you know I fairly enjoy some of the new Resto changes but I loved my tree before the patch so im not raging just wanna point out some factors that can make tree enjoyable and at the same time balanced and reasonable...

First off Hots clearly got nerfed in my eyes the durations are shorter by A LOT and your limited to Lifebloom for the fact it only can be cast on one target at a time and Wild Growths CD is increased.

Now these are my ideas on how to fix tree in PvP and PvE in general that wouldn't make them more OP and make them enjoyable!

- Lifebloom glyph: allows you to use Lifebloom on 2 more targets at the same time. (so max of 3 targets at same time)

- Regrowth's hot needs to be increased to possibly 10 sec from 6 and it would be more enjoyable and bring back the HoT healer feel.

--Tree of Life CD needs to be reduced to 1 min but change there abilities like this;
>Regrowth is instant but has a 3 sec inner CD (un-spammable)
>Instant roots 5 sec CD (like glyph)
>Duration is 15-20 sec since the CD is shorter, but shorter CD would allow more fun into PvP and PvE because everyone loves tree form!
>Everything else how it was ability wise can stay the same.
>This Tree form works like this; its an ability so you can also go out of tree form but feel free to go back into tree form, so how long the duration last thats how long you can feel free to shift in and out of tree form!

- Increase Rejuvenations HoT duration by 6 sec, that seems reasonable not asking for much.

Now put all of these ideas into perspective and picture it, all these ideas seem reasonable and they would seem to fit perfect enough for the game to still be balance and enjoyable and bring back that HoT healer feel again!

What do you guys think?

[bcl0328]

do you even play a druid? when you are in tree form you can cast lifebloom on unlimited targets. i can pretty much keep up anyone in a raid with just rejuv and wild growth because in tree form and with glyph it spreads to even more people.

[gookslammer]

Yeah, make everything instant for druids so you never have to cast. How about they make the tree of life a 30 second cooldown too.
Great thing you don't work for blizzard.

[Mudpile]

stopped reading after seeing how much you loved treeform. Also the changes for instant regrowth and roots make it spammable. I could cast regrowth on an ally, root an enemy, cast a lifebloom and regrowth and ally or myself again. Tree of Life is fine as it is right now.
Fanboys should avoid being able to have opinions.

[Stormhusk]

do you even play a druid? when you are in tree form you can cast lifebloom on unlimited targets. i can pretty much keep up anyone in a raid with just rejuv and wild growth because in tree form and with glyph it spreads to even more people.

Thats only in tree form tho im saying out of form 3 lifeblooms out of tree, i think thats reasonable

[acoolnamehere]

would be to god that a tree healer would actually put effort into healing

[Riavan]

We don't need the multiple lifeblooms outside of tree, would make us overpowered.

[shags the penguin]

would be to god that a tree healer would actually put effort into healing

Trees put a lot of effort, A few million times more than you put into that post. Please be gone.

I like your idea, but tbh I feel that its not a good direction for druids tbh. Treeform is really good CD, very powerful for points in a fight, much prefer to keep it that way than have to constantly push something on CD for a bonus. the shift back into tree i love the idea of... really it fucks me off so much that so many of our spells cancel treeform (IS,starfire, remember blizz said they didn't like tree limiting what we cast)

I do feel currently that druids really dont have the hots that we did before, lifebloom on one target is still weak, like very weak, take it out of treeform and make it more powerful in numbers. currently it feels like its just something to put up on a tank when there is nothing else to do and make HT refresh it, when shit gets hard we use our big heal which doesn't refresh lifebloom yet the cheap one does ? :S

I would also say keep hots shorter, lets not go back to blanket the raid and lifebloom all 3 tanks, was never that fun tbh.

Remember the limitation of treeform is the cost... currently on live I can drop 30k mana in a single treeform in cata I would expect that would make me oom long before tree finishes.

I will agree i dont feel that much like a hot healer anymore, WG is situational, lifebloom is weak and 1 target, rej is the go too hot, but mana cost got increased again so i expect that actually nourish is #1

[Richmond]

The only change i'd like to see is the glyph of Rejuv changed to a duration increase rather than a % based healing.

Everything else is pretty good at the minute, see what its like when Cata hits, then there will be loads of whining!

[Clawtrocity]

The only thing I sort of dislike with tree healing is that we're suppose to be the HoT healers, so we try and spec that way, but then we get screwed over for the other half of the fights where we need to be healing the tank. I'd say something like "Make us better tank healers while not taking away our hots" but then we'd be overpowered. I guess it'd be better if I had both my specs as resto so I could have a raid healing spec and a tank healing spec.

Also I don't care what you all say I still want permanent tree form. That is all.

[Quehn]

I think changing something based on a sole person's judgement, that will affect a large amount of people, is stupid

[lyom]

I can work just fine with my HoTs, and if bigger heals are needed, yeah, then I need to use heals with a cast time. Feels just fine for me, you got to work with your entire set of tools.

Last time I ran Steamvault at 68 the group had a druid that thought he knew what trees need to feel like. Five seconds after the first pull, he stopped healing the tank with the reason being that his HoTs alone wouldn't keep this tank up, hence he must be woefully undergeared. After the well deserved kick (of the healer), the dungeon was cleared with no deaths with the next druid healer, who had to use a mix of his spells and succeeded all fine.

I think changing something based on a sole person's judgement, that will affect a large amount of people, is stupid

^ Thumbs up.

[Seagrams]

Three Lifeblooms OUTSIDE of Treeform is laughable. LB is there to be a major part of keeping up the MT, and if you could cast three with full uptime Druids would be gods in 3s.

Not to mention adding 50% duration to Rejuv without a 50% cost increase would be incredibly overpowered. Shifting out of Treeform stopping the duration would have to stop the cooldown recharging, otherwise it could possibly have 100% uptime.

durations are shorter by A LOT

You do realize haste now just adds ticks to HoTs, without shortening their duration right?

and your limited to Lifebloom

Rejuv, Regrowth, Wild Growth...

[Stormhusk]

Three Lifeblooms OUTSIDE of Treeform is laughable. LB is there to be a major part of keeping up the MT, and if you could cast three with full uptime Druids would be gods in 3s.

Not to mention adding 50% duration to Rejuv without a 50% cost increase would be incredibly overpowered. Shifting out of Treeform stopping the duration would have to stop the cooldown recharging, otherwise it could possibly have 100% uptime.



You do realize haste now just adds ticks to HoTs, without shortening their duration right?


Rejuv, Regrowth, Wild Growth...

regrowth isnt even a hot its 6 sec and its weaker then wild growth, wild growth has a CD so it necessarily isnt up the whole time, rejuv is the only true hot druids have right now....

They did shorten the durations;
rejuv - 12 sec from 18 sec?
regrowth 6 sec from 26 sec?
wild growth 10 sec CD so you have 3 sec space from an extra hot
lifebloom is only one target which is horrible they should put it back to how it was

I would love permanent tree again, they shouldve kept tree of life and the new tree CD idea its just an enhanced version O.o

[Deleted]

"Increase Rejuvenations HoT duration by 6 sec, that seems reasonable not asking for much."

this alone says to me that you don't really know what you're talking about

[sparks]

yea I wish we had everything.
BUT at the same time I think buzzard went toooo far in trying to make every healer the same. We were hot healers. Now we are something else.
I really don't know what. yep it you can get to 1200 haste you can still hot heal NOT as good as we were but ok.
Overall I think that making 3 heals for everyone and long cast times is not my idea of healing classes but a healing class.
Yep they want everyone the same so that little billie doesn't feel that his chosen class is not the best at any one time.

Sure I will get flamed or banned for saying this but its the damn truth.
all tanks, dps and healers should be the same so no one feels left out or that some other class is better in some way.

Why not just make everyone human, tri spec so they can all tank, heal and dps and get to what they really want.
A CONSOLE GAME

[Deleted]

yea I wish we had everything.
BUT at the same time I think buzzard went toooo far in trying to make every healer the same. We were hot healers. Now we are something else.
I really don't know what. yep it you can get to 1200 haste you can still hot heal NOT as good as we were but ok.
Overall I think that making 3 heals for everyone and long cast times is not my idea of healing classes but a healing class.
Yep they want everyone the same so that little billie doesn't feel that his chosen class is not the best at any one time.

Sure I will get flamed or banned for saying this but its the damn truth.
all tanks, dps and healers should be the same so no one feels left out or that some other class is better in some way.

Why not just make everyone human, tri spec so they can all tank, heal and dps and get to what they really want.
A CONSOLE GAME

that's why Rejuv, WG are still the highest healing spells when you check logs from Beta?

[drakean]

regrowth isnt even a hot its 6 sec and its weaker then wild growth, wild growth has a CD so it necessarily isnt up the whole time, rejuv is the only true hot druids have right now....

They did shorten the durations;
rejuv - 12 sec from 18 sec?
regrowth 6 sec from 26 sec?
wild growth 10 sec CD so you have 3 sec space from an extra hot
lifebloom is only one target which is horrible they should put it back to how it was

I would love permanent tree again, they shouldve kept tree of life and the new tree CD idea its just an enhanced version O.o

I dont understand why people like the old tree of life form more. 6% healing and 20% less mana on spells (keep in mind the 6% healing was to keep us at the same lvl or so as other healers) < 15% healing increased, (if glyphed) wild growth spread to 8 people, unlimited lifebloom, instant roots, increased damage and reduced cast time of wrath, and instant regrowth.

Imo the new one is clearly better.

Also my regrowth hot crits for 1 to 1.2k and so does my wildgrowth which i use alot now for topping people off. (at 3723 spell/13% mastery)

Also lifebloom why does it need to be unlimited outside of ToL? im not trying to top people off in raids with it , thats what rejuv is for. I mainly use it on the tank or me if i have something hitting me.

[Oyra]

Clearly, you get the druid healing point wrong.
We have been buffed amazingly, You can get regrowth to 100% crit chance, rejuv & wg are still amazing, swiftmend efflorence proc etc.
LB is quite bad compared to prepatch, I nearly never use it anymore as it just is not good anymore, the final tick is crap unless it crits.
TOL is such an awesome CD, I blow it on those hard phases like near the end of PP hc 25 to just be able to spam Regrowth > making it 100% crit + hot crits + living seed.
We can still just blanket the raid and go LOL 17K HPS I HAS SKILL so basicly, your logic is wrong.

[Deleted]

Clearly, you get the druid healing point wrong.
We have been buffed amazingly, You can get regrowth to 100% crit chance, rejuv & wg are still amazing, swiftmend efflorence proc etc.
LB is quite bad compared to prepatch, I nearly never use it anymore as it just is not good anymore, the final tick is crap unless it crits.
TOL is such an awesome CD, I blow it on those hard phases like near the end of PP hc 25 to just be able to spam Regrowth > making it 100% crit + hot crits + living seed.
We can still just blanket the raid and go LOL 17K HPS I HAS SKILL so basicly, your logic is wrong.

If you keep rolling 3 stacks of LB on the tank then its quite good. Don't let it bloom unless there's like 1 sec left of its duration and the tank is at half HP. LB will show its true power at 85 when mana will matter. If you change to TOL and throw an LB at a bunch of people then you will have OOC procs from Malfurion's Gift almost constantly. Free instant Regrowth FTW.
Rejuv is still insanely good but it won't be that good at 85. Won't be bad but blanketing the raid mindlessly will get you oom pretty fast.