Why doesn't Blizzard just take away Dual Wield?

[Kalcheus]

I don't understand the new enchants. Well, I guess I do: Blizzard doesn't want Hunters dual-wielding 1-handers as a double stat stick. So why even give Hunters dual wield? I know, I know, we can still use older enchants and use the dual 1H while levelling. But now no competent Cata raid leader is going to let a Hunter roll on a 1H weapon, putting them at the back of the line for getting them for upgrades (while typically a 2H is better than 2x1H for Hunters all iLvls being equal, we all know it takes awhile to get all iLvls equal) or PVP (unless something changed that I haven't heard about, I still prefer to use 2 1H in PVP so I don't lose Deterrence after most disarm effects). I don't even want to think about how expensive that enchant is going to be in the AH (hopefully someone in my guild gets it pretty quick).

I know this is a QQ, but I find these subtle coercions a lot more annoying than a simple change. Sure, I'll miss how bada$$ the dual Frost Giant Cleavers looked crossed on my back, but at least I won't be getting into arguments over every 1H weapon drop that could be an upgrade for me. So Blizzard, if you don't want Hunters dual wielding, just take it away.

To clarify: I posted this in the Hunter forum, therefore I meant only removing it for Hunters. I had forgotten that sometimes people just read the thread from the main page without checking what forum it's actually in.

[ghostblade]

you know DW is now a passive in your spec choose right??? rouges get it at level 1, its included in the warriors fury choose same with shamans there ench?.

[Deleted]

you know DW is now a passive in your spec choose right??? rouges get it at level 1, its included in the warriors fury choose same with shamans there ench?.

Warriors get dual wield if they choose Fury specialisation. Shamans get dual wield if they choose Enhancement. Death Knights, Rogues, and I'm fairly sure Hunters too get dual wield regardless of their specialisation.

[Kalcheus]

I'm fairly sure Hunters too get dual wield regardless of their specialisation.

They do, at level 20 (unless that changed and I missed it). I have no idea what ghostblade is talking about.

[ghostblade]

rouges get it at level 1 now since patch... 3.5? and dks got it at 55 since the begin of WOTLK the skill dual wielding is not trainable any more. but you now got it already or it must be with your spec choose aka fury

[Hilarity]

Well, obviously they want hunters veering toward the less-popular agility polearms and feral druid staves. They make much more reliable and sensible stat-sticks when compared to the 2.6 Axe that rogues want for MH, Shamans want for OH, Frost DK's want for whatever Frost does, and SMF warriors will likely still go for in their MH.

[Deleted]

He is not talking about removing the dual wield as a mechanic, but removing the ability of a hunter to dual wield.

I suppose it would stop the new breed of super strength hunters incoming with the 1 handed strength weapons...

[Gavendo]

From my own findings, without enchants, dual-wielding will be about 15% worse than using a 2H for us hunters (in t11 of Cataclysm).
They could counter that by making the 1h enchants 15% better than the 2h enchant but then rogues and shamans would get ahead.

Yes, having hunters dual-wielding makes no sense from a min/maxing point of view. But personally I find that it looks better and more realistic than when you're carrying around a big magical druid staff. So I'm guessing they're keeping it in because it isn't hurting anyone and some people will find it more visually appealing.

Cheers,
Gav

[Julepalme]

well i agree with the op.

it sucks that blizzard is only implmenting a 2h agi enchant this time around, as far as it looks. (still hoping theres a 1h agi enchant in there somewhere yet to be added or found)


Anyway.. i'm another fan of dualwielding on my hunter atm, just love the look of the icc 1h axes on the back

Why have they taken away 1h stat enchants limiting our choice in weapons drastrically, while on the other hand they add offhand enchants to casters giving them better options for weapon combos.

I seriously hope they are gonna add some very cool polearms etc to compensate for the loss of my dualwield.. hope i dont get stuck with crap looking weapons.

[ghostblade]

@gav then don't think of your hunter walking with a magic stick but with a giant spear that more looks like a halbard then polearm

blizz realy needs to make more polearms....

[Vasz]

it isn't hurting anyone

Apart from Rogues and Enhancement Shaman.

[Kalcheus]

Anyway.. i'm another fan of dualwielding on my hunter atm, just love the look of the icc 1h axes on the back

I seriously hope they are gonna add some very cool polearms etc to compensate for the loss of my dualwield.. hope i dont get stuck with crap looking weapons.

A lot of Hunters will be farming Rockslicer in Heroic DM.

... Elementium Poleaxes are going to make a mint for Blacksmithers.

[Gavendo]

Apart from Rogues and Enhancement Shaman.

Procc-based 1h enchants will be able to serve rogues and ench shamans just fine while keeping hunters away from said enchants. By looking at the currently available enchants this seems like exactly what Blizzard wants to achieve.

@gav then don't think of your hunter walking with a magic stick but with a giant spear that more looks like a halbard then polearm

blizz realy needs to make more polearms....

Truth. Some polearms do indeed look pretty fitting for hunters!

[Julepalme]

Give some procbased scopes then.

[wanax]

Warriors get dual wield if they choose Fury specialisation. Shamans get dual wield if they choose Enhancement. Death Knights, Rogues, and I'm fairly sure Hunters too get dual wield regardless of their specialisation.

THis is exactly right. Although in my opinion they should go ahead and make the DK dw ability talent tree specific. I'm REALLY tired as a DK myself of seeing people try to DW blood tank....

[Gavendo]

Give some procbased scopes then.

They did.

[Kalcheus]

I don't even care about procing. I'd be happy with a +50 Agi 1H enchant. Some of us just want to dual-wield Elementium Gutslicers!

---------- Post added 2010-11-08 at 08:36 AM ----------

Carrying 2 Onehanders os just wrong for a hunter. Why should we roll on something that is better for melees, and if we can get better staves or polearms? Just a nonsense QQ. We don´t need two 1H weapons. Raid leaders who gave Hunters 1H weapons before melees in wotlk are just stupid.

If only someone had suggested getting rid of Dual Wield for Hunters for this reason

[Vudu]

Personally, I think it's a good change. It forces hunters into the same loot bracket as feral druids and the occasional dk/warrior/paladin that wants a pole-arm (not certain if all 3 can use them). I'm pretty sure in the end, this will actually make it easier for hunters to get their stat stick due to less competition.

That said, it seems like the OP is just particularly attached to dual wielding. I always thought polearms/staves fit the hunter class better, but maybe that's just me. But he has a point about removing it if they're going to force you away.

Edit: Lol at the post above me.

[MonsieuRoberts]

I agree with the OP, take away the ability to Dual Wield for Hunters.

Give some procbased scopes then.

That would be very cool!

[Bether]

So hunters are using 2h now.

FINALLY! I don't have to put up with all the hunters whining when I, a tank, roll on a threat weapon.