Anime Chat Thread

[Sesto]

On one hand, yeah. On the other, though - Fate/Stay Night is a direct sequel to Fate/Zero in this case and there is no way any of the routes would be truly fit as a continuation.
If it took Fate Sakura gets completely abandoned, her story from Fate/Zero is left without conclusion - or with the worst possible conclusion depending on how you interpret her absence. The same problem with UBW, plus Saber's story gets similar conclusion-less treatment. And if it's Heaven's Feel... Well, it's probably the closest one to a reasonable conclusion to all plot threads, but Saber gets the fucked over as bad as Sakura in other options, and midway through at that.

What is suitable in a VN where your decisions shape the story is not a good route for an anime that's supposed to follow on and conclude Fate/Zero.

HF essentially does conclude Fate/Zero. Saber and Gil get shafted, but everything else (Kirei's answer, Ilya relationship with Kiritsugu and Shirou, Zouken, Rin/Sakura's relationship, Sakura's suffering, etc), which were main plot lines in Fate/Zero are closed up. They could have easily altered things slightly, giving more screen time to Gil and more development to Saber and it would have worked.

The reason I'm so reluctant is that I don't want another butchering. It is ufotable, though, and Nasu is writing the new stuff, so maybe it will work. This has the potential to be amazing, if done correctly.

Considering they want to make it more like Fate/Zero's tone, I seriously hope some of this new content is used to develop other characters than the main cast. Like how Fate/Zero didn't focus on a single character, except less extreme (Shirou is still the MC, obviously). Things like Bazett's death, Caster killing her original Master, the Winter Forest scene with Ilya/Berserker, etc... things that weren't in the VN (well, weren't shown) that definitely could be in this adaption. At the same time if they are doing entirely original content I hope this means more scenes for the less focused-on characters. (Lancer, Assassin, Caster), instead of it focusing entirely on Shirou like it is in the VN.

[Brincamian]

One hell of a ride, eh? ^.^

I'm a wreck right now... =(

So devastating...

Massive Muv-Luv Alternative spoilers > The squad dying was sad, but after they landed and Kasumi explained everything to him after Sumika's ODL degradation effectively killed her... ugh. I had somewhat connected that she was the reason for the loops, but all the revelations about him going through and never picking her to then end up in her death just a few days after he made the correct choice... Only thing I'm unsatisfied about is his lack of memories back in his previous world. He told alt Sumika that he'd share her and everyone's story with his Sumika after he got back. I was also hoping he'd at least maintain his feelings for her rather than a near complete reset. But I guess I can just say he goes and picks Sumika again now since they left it open ended for that reason.

[Yami]

http://www.itaindou.com/sa_007imas
whew
do want

You can get a idol master credit card in Japan too! It's too cute.

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You can get a idol master credit card in Japan too! It's too cute.

What? don't all countries have the ability to put custom images on their credit cards? We can also do that in Denmark o_O

[Yami]

What? don't all countries have the ability to put custom images on their credit cards? We can also do that in Denmark o_O

Seems the Idol master one is only issued by Japanese banks.

[Zatheyll]

Noragami - I loved how the background kept repeating when they were falling. That entire scene was so great. Damn though this show just took a dark turn. Everything about this show is great and I can see a really strong story coming up, more than I would have thought. Seems Yato is far more mysterious than we thought. Seems most of what we see is him pretending trying to escape his past, or who he really is. It seems there's loads we don't know about him. Way too excited for more.

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What? don't all countries have the ability to put custom images on their credit cards? We can also do that in Denmark o_O

Copyright is a bitch. If you do that without consent you can get sued up the ass by the company. The ones Yami is talking about would be an official one where the Idolmaster company would receive a cut. Most card issuers will even check the design first and deny if it has copyright on it.

[Suicidal Panda]

fix that failed spoiler zath :P

[Zatheyll]

fix that failed spoiler zath :P

Pls sorry. I didn't mean to.

;_;

At least it doesn't spoil much really?

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SO IT SEEMS THAT MAGI 16 AND 17 AIRED TOGETHER AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW AND CRUNCHYROLL DELAYED A FEW DAYS THE RELEASE OF 17 FOR SOME REASON PROBABLY MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE CUNTS AND HOLY SHIT I'M SO EXCITED YES.


/caps

[Suicidal Panda]

or subbing took some time since they were surprised too?

[Yami]

or subbing took some time since they were surprised too?

Horrible subs are rippers from Funi so I doubt it took time. The video didn't get posted since since there was a 1hr special going on in Japan so CR only subbed one episode and delayed the other.
I think CR took some delay because they need to wait for the individual ending credit.to be released by Aniplex...
The special 1 hour that aired combined the credits of both episode into one sequence.

[Zatheyll]

Magi - That ending sent chills down my spine. I'm so ready for more. This is going to be so amazing!

Holy shit Alibaba is ripped now.

AND I JUST REALIZED. Alibaba will be most likely fighting with Leam, against Aladdin. Oh my god oh my god.

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HF essentially does conclude Fate/Zero. Saber and Gil get shafted, but everything else (Kirei's answer, Ilya relationship with Kiritsugu and Shirou, Zouken, Rin/Sakura's relationship, Sakura's suffering, etc), which were main plot lines in Fate/Zero are closed up. They could have easily altered things slightly, giving more screen time to Gil and more development to Saber and it would have worked.

Yeah, I agree with that - but seeing as Saber was the focal figure of F/Zero I can understand the unwillingness to cut her down 1/3rd of the way through the sequel. Getting shafted is one thing, getting shafted before story really takes off is another.

Once again - in VN it worked amazingly good. In the anime, though, I do not think it'd satisfy anyone outside of VN fans.

I'm a wreck right now... =(

So devastating...

Massive Muv-Luv Alternative spoilers > The squad dying was sad, but after they landed and Kasumi explained everything to him after Sumika's ODL degradation effectively killed her... ugh. I had somewhat connected that she was the reason for the loops, but all the revelations about him going through and never picking her to then end up in her death just a few days after he made the correct choice... Only thing I'm unsatisfied about is his lack of memories back in his previous world. He told alt Sumika that he'd share her and everyone's story with his Sumika after he got back. I was also hoping he'd at least maintain his feelings for her rather than a near complete reset. But I guess I can just say he goes and picks Sumika again now since they left it open ended for that reason.

Alternative is on another level in feels department. Before I read it I never thought a hardcore, brutal tentacle rape and body transformation scene could serve as anything more than niche porn and/or shock scene... Here though? I felt like crying.

Being Shirogane is suffering in general. Starting from the OmNomNom, it was a series of constant ups and downs, with downs being worse and worse. Panicked in combat? Don't worry, Marimo will comfort yoCHOMP! Well, at least you can run back home... You're just gonna vanish from everyone's memories, cause Marimo's death again, turn Sumika into a vegetable after screwing with her mind... and kill who knows how many people - after all BETA killed billions, he could have brought all of that fate with him as well. Wanna go back? Sure! Here's a robot made out of your beloved, wanna hear what BETA did to her? And just so you know, everyone you begin to rely on will die one after another. And to crown it all, your entire squad's gonna die off to protect you while your lover is inevitably and slowly dying in the background without your knowledge - after all, if you knew you would stop hastening her demise more and more. Just make sure you smile for the cameras when you carry her body out of that shuttle!
Fuck. I just felt bad for the man.

He did go through an amazing amount of character development, though. I can't count how many times over Unlimited and Alternative I thought "Well, THIS time he grew up and manned up." - slowly progressing from a kid getting hard over piloting a mecha to a reliable, veteran soldier. Aside from story itself(duh.), his character development is probably what made me fall in love with Alternative.


There's MuvLuv Altered Fable by the way, currently in process of translation. From what I've seen it's Extra that plays out after Alternative - in the world he ended up in after everything passed.

[Brincamian]

Alternative is on another level in feels department. Before I read it I never thought a hardcore, brutal tentacle rape and body transformation scene could serve as anything more than niche porn and/or shock scene... Here though? I felt like crying.

Being Shirogane is suffering in general. Starting from the OmNomNom, it was a series of constant ups and downs, with downs being worse and worse. Panicked in combat? Don't worry, Marimo will comfort yoCHOMP! Well, at least you can run back home... You're just gonna vanish from everyone's memories, cause Marimo's death again, turn Sumika into a vegetable after screwing with her mind... and kill who knows how many people - after all BETA killed billions, he could have brought all of that fate with him as well. Wanna go back? Sure! Here's a robot made out of your beloved, wanna hear what BETA did to her? And just so you know, everyone you begin to rely on will die one after another. And to crown it all, your entire squad's gonna die off to protect you while your lover is inevitably and slowly dying in the background without your knowledge - after all, if you knew you would stop hastening her demise more and more. Just make sure you smile for the cameras when you carry her body out of that shuttle!
Fuck. I just felt bad for the man.

He did go through an amazing amount of character development, though. I can't count how many times over Unlimited and Alternative I thought "Well, THIS time he grew up and manned up." - slowly progressing from a kid getting hard over piloting a mecha to a reliable, veteran soldier. Aside from story itself(duh.), his character development is probably what made me fall in love with Alternative.


There's MuvLuv Altered Fable by the way, currently in process of translation. From what I've seen it's Extra that plays out after Alternative - in the world he ended up in after everything passed.

Being a pretty big Saya no Uta fan, and the ahegao slip earlier (I know it was an accident), I actually kinda saw that rape coming. I didn't realize it'd be part of a flashback, though. Shirogane's suffering isn't what got to me, he gets to live all happily without those memories in his old world. It was alt world Sumika that had me grabbing for the tissues. Sitting unnoticed for so long in that tube, and forcing him to loop over and over, and then feeling like a horrible person when she realized what her subconscious was doing. And then a brief happiness for a few days that was oh so bittersweet. Alt Takeru at least got to die and stay dead, and our Takeru actually lived. Definitely wish he had kept his memories.

Also totally predicted them remaking other life forms into BETA. Makes them somewhat like the Combine from Half-Life 2 if my theory is correct (each type of BETA is a life form from from another planet, all seamlessly incorporated into their hives and then sent to other worlds, with humans being the soldiers (they also stated soldiers were the last species discovered)), except they mutate and change them instead of just controlling them, and they aren't malicious like the Combine were.

I did read about Altered Fable, it seems like the translation might be dead, but I'm not super concerned with that since it seems to be 100% fluff. The only closure I'm missing is the memory related stuff.

And yes, Marimo's death was probably the most shocking thing I've ever experienced in any anime, VN, game, anything. My palms got sweaty and I was shaking and even took a little break. The gore itself doesn't bother me, but they really made you feel like everything was OK again and lower your guard before doing that so suddenly.

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Being a pretty big Saya no Uta fan, and the ahegao slip earlier (I know it was an accident), I actually kinda saw that rape coming. I didn't realize it'd be part of a flashback, though. Shirogane's suffering isn't what got to me, he gets to live all happily without those memories in his old world. It was alt world Sumika that had me grabbing for the tissues. Sitting unnoticed for so long in that tube, and forcing him to loop over and over, and then feeling like a horrible person when she realized what her subconscious was doing. And then a brief happiness for a few days that was oh so bittersweet. Alt Takeru at least got to die and stay dead, and our Takeru actually lived. Definitely wish he had kept his memories.

Sowwie. :[

If you say "he gets to live happily without the memories" you can also say that the Shirogane we followed through all this time died - after all, if all that past gets rendered null and void it's as if the person shaped by it died and disappeared; worse even, since his existence disappeared along with memories of everyone in Alt world it's as if he never existed in the first place. His tears and Kasumi's appearance and actions are the only reprieve, a hint that not all was lost.
Have to agree on Sumika, though. Her story is the supreme tear jerker - and it achieves that without getting corny. She did have something of a closure, though - however tragic her story was she did get something out of it in the end, at least.

Also totally predicted them remaking other life forms into BETA. Makes them somewhat like the Combine from Half-Life 2 if my theory is correct (each type of BETA is a life form from from another planet, all seamlessly incorporated into their hives and then sent to other worlds, with humans being the soldiers (they also stated soldiers were the last species discovered)), except they mutate and change them instead of just controlling them, and they aren't malicious like the Combine were.

Actually, I think it's different. BETA(Best acronym ever, btw.) are biological machines created by some unknown alien species that evolved along a completely different path. They are sent to an uninhabited(by their standards) celestial body and proceed to harvest the natural resources while using a portion of them to fuel their operations. Biomass - humans included - is one of those natural resources, one used solely on-site; instead of sending a huge amount of "machinery" through space the BETA use what is aviable on the spot to bolster their numbers and harvesting efficiency.

In other words, it's not that humans/soldiers would be packed up into some kind of shuttle and used on another planet - when Earth is used up they'd get abandoned, no longer necessary and unsuitable for long term space travel.

I did read about Altered Fable, it seems like the translation might be dead, but I'm not super concerned with that since it seems to be 100% fluff. The only closure I'm missing is the memory related stuff.

Yeah, from what I've gathered it does not actually follow up on Alternative, it's just one aviable interpretation - it's simply Extra with Alternative characters put in.

And yes, Marimo's death was probably the most shocking thing I've ever experienced in any anime, VN, game, anything. My palms got sweaty and I was shaking and even took a little break. The gore itself doesn't bother me, but they really made you feel like everything was OK again and lower your guard before doing that so suddenly.

I'm glad I did not spoil that moment. ^.^
Gore alone is never shocking, can only be disgusting - it's the way it is used that matters. There? Seconds ago you were looking at that face, listening to a cheerful voice. Right after, that face is getting chewed on and the words are replaced by obscene crunching.
Seriously, fuck. Even when I was re-reading it the shock value was barely any lower.



On a related note, I admired the way all media aviable to a VN were used throughout the entire story. SFX and graphic effects masterfully supplemented written story - prime examples being Shirogane's panic and hypnotic suggestion, Chomp afterwards and the following interrogation. That is why I love VNs so much, they open so many possibilities for a resourceful and skilled author.




On an UNrelated note, setting aside all the personal drama - Alternative is sad from yet another perspective. BETA were products of a peaceful(to some extent) civilization. They were not instruments of war, one of their prime directives was to avoid any and all conflicts with other life forms, known and unknown, intelligent or not. The entire reason for the massacre inflicted on humanity was a misunderstanding of sorts - the fact those creators did not consider that life could evolve in a different way than what they have experienced. I sense a message towards understanding and tolerance there. ;D

Holly monny, black blocks.

[AceofHarts]

D-frag! keeps getting funnier and funnier. the little tidbit about the "underground boss" is hilarious.

[Yami]

D-frag! keeps getting funnier and funnier. the little tidbit about the "underground boss" is hilarious.

It' sucks they are skipping out on a lot of stuff from the manga though. They're cutting entire chapters. Important chapters. I wouldn't mind if they cut out gags here and there but those are crossing the line.

[Sesto]

Tokyo Ravens - That old man is badass. During the questioning I was kinda getting annoyed because of how 'convenient' it was for the bad guy to just tell him everything, but once it was revealed he was using magic on him my annoyance turned to excitement. That was really fucking cool.

Loving this show a lot more now. This episode was great.

[AceofHarts]

posted on another thread by Geso. brought over here because it's so funny that it's sad. and true

[Brincamian]

If you say "he gets to live happily without the memories" you can also say that the Shirogane we followed through all this time died - after all, if all that past gets rendered null and void it's as if the person shaped by it died and disappeared; worse even, since his existence disappeared along with memories of everyone in Alt world it's as if he never existed in the first place. His tears and Kasumi's appearance and actions are the only reprieve, a hint that not all was lost.

The Takeru we were following wasn't even one that had his own world, she pulled pieces of his memory from all sorts of branches to make his existence possible in the alt world. After he ceased to be a causality conductor all of the worlds touched by the alt world were reset to a single world that various worlds will branch off from again, and he was put back together as one Takeru with everything reset, including his memories. That's how it worked according to Kasumi, so my theory based off that is that he's the same Takeru, he just had everything completely reset similarly to Sumika suppressing his memory of his involvement with other women. I think that's why he cried when he saw those people, as well, since it's still there somewhere in his subconscious, but no BETA or TSFs or other alt world related things will ever appear to jog those memories (like the relationships coming back to the surface due to automatic connections his mind was making). And I believe Kasumi getting a self in that new world was Sumika using her ridiculous powers to surround him with all the people who made him happy in the alt world, as her last act before she died. I think they explained it like that.

Have to agree on Sumika, though. Her story is the supreme tear jerker - and it achieves that without getting corny. She did have something of a closure, though - however tragic her story was she did get something out of it in the end, at least.

I wanted more scenes with them together. It was so short between her becoming stable and then dying the death she should've died long ago. I was having a hard time keeping myself together with them out on the hill, reenacting their routines from the happier world. Definitely happy I didn't settle for a summary and plowed through both of the first ones.

Actually, I think it's different. BETA(Best acronym ever, btw.) are biological machines created by some unknown alien species that evolved along a completely different path. They are sent to an uninhabited(by their standards) celestial body and proceed to harvest the natural resources while using a portion of them to fuel their operations. Biomass - humans included - is one of those natural resources, one used solely on-site; instead of sending a huge amount of "machinery" through space the BETA use what is aviable on the spot to bolster their numbers and harvesting efficiency.

In other words, it's not that humans/soldiers would be packed up into some kind of shuttle and used on another planet - when Earth is used up they'd get abandoned, no longer necessary and unsuitable for long term space travel.

The master race was similar to us, from how I took it, except they were silicon based life forms instead of carbon based life forms, and obviously far more technologically advanced. We know that the hives brought at least some BETA with them when they landed on the Moon/Earth, since they were ready to invade the surrounding areas immediately. I think the landing device that creates the monument and transports the reactor brings a large number of BETA with it. There doesn't seem to be much information otherwise, though, aside from humans definitely being recycled into soldiers, which I still think explains them being discovered later. Other stuff I'm reading says some species (laser and heavy laser) can be made purely from the different G elements, allowing them to produce large amounts of BETA so long as the hive is large enough to produce G elements.

As for the rest of the species, I can't imagine there being enough resources to manufacture a significant number of carbon based life forms on Mars. If they can shape things however they want, then once they were on Earth perhaps they used the humans and plants and all of that to make ALL of their species, but there's just no confirmation for any of that. I'm not even sure we found out exactly how they produced the landing shuttles. At first I thought the things periodically shot out by the bigger hives were more of them, but that just turned out to be resource shipments.

On a related note, I admired the way all media aviable to a VN were used throughout the entire story. SFX and graphic effects masterfully supplemented written story - prime examples being Shirogane's panic and hypnotic suggestion, Chomp afterwards and the following interrogation. That is why I love VNs so much, they open so many possibilities for a resourceful and skilled author.

Pretty much the reason why I'm so hooked on VNs. The images of manga, the detail of books, and the sounds of anime, with the occasional animation and special effects. Can also get so much more emotionally involved compared to the majority of shorter anime series, and some stories literally cannot work in any other form (Ever17, G-Senjou no Maou). I also haven't found any other medium that has shocked me with twists like VNs can. (Ever17, F/SN, Muv-Luv, Steins;Gate) I know you said you haven't read too many yet, have you experienced any other than Muv-Luv and F/SN? (Guessing you've read the latter due to previous posts)

On an UNrelated note, setting aside all the personal drama - Alternative is sad from yet another perspective. BETA were products of a peaceful(to some extent) civilization. They were not instruments of war, one of their prime directives was to avoid any and all conflicts with other life forms, known and unknown, intelligent or not. The entire reason for the massacre inflicted on humanity was a misunderstanding of sorts - the fact those creators did not consider that life could evolve in a different way than what they have experienced. I sense a message towards understanding and tolerance there. ;D

Sad that the war happened despite all that, yeah, but I hope you don't pity the BETA themselves. Won't ever forgive those bastards! On a more serious note, it makes you feel all the more helpless because you can't hate them in the way that you can hate a guy like Zouken. It makes everything that happened to Sumika even harder to take, where with Sakura (who's similar in ways), you could just blame and hate on the guy who did it all to her. Sumika was just screwed over in the worst possible way for no good reason.

Unrelated, I feel like they ended it the way they did (with the war against the BETA far from over) because they wanted to make use of that fantastic setting they created. I haven't looked into other stories as much, but I know there's a translation effort for Alternative Chronicles as well as several different manga series that cover more of the alt world. Just more information about the BETA would be awesome at some point, but I don't think anything like that exists yet. I may try out the Total Eclipse series, which seemed like it had a great start and end but horrible middle. It'd be worth it for animated BETA, though. Kinda doubt the Total Eclipse VN will ever be translated since the series covers a little over half of it, but that means experiencing the second half at some point would be tough.

I'll match and raise ya another bunch of black boxes!

[Sesto]

So, 19 untranslated lines left for F/HA.

Now we will only have to wait a couple more years for all the lines to be validated!