Tier gear: badges or boss drops?

[Missbenedict]

this goes along with the "WOTLK is easy" argument. do you guys prefer buying tier with badges (points) or having tokens drop off bosses.

[312guiltyspark]

tokens of course. buying tier gear from badges is just...whoever came up with that idea should be taken outside and shot twice...then shot again for good measure.
in fact buying gear from vendors that allows you to raid with is a terrible idea. it should be like it was in tbc - you can buy gear but its nowhere near as good as the gear you can obtain from even the lowest raiding content.

[bigjohnburger]

this goes along with the "WOTLK is easy" argument. do you guys prefer buying tier with badges (points) or having tokens drop off bosses.

You mean JP? I like the new JP system way better than the stupid badges, takes away the time consuming transfers.

[MissGwen]

Call me an elitist epeen stroking snob, but I think tier gear should ONLY be available if you raid. So tokens is my preference. Points should get you comparable gear (though the lowest points should not). If all you do is run 5man dungeons, there's no reason for you to want/need raid level gear anyway.

[Deleted]

Boss drop idd tier just felt WAY more epic then !

[Lightitup]

For the love of god I hope they make tier tokens ONLY drop in raids, none of this point purchasing crap.

[Tiglits]

I like being able to get raid-ready gear with heroics and dungeons. Why? Because people will still know bads versus the not, and it'll help me gear up quicker.

Like someone said above, if all you do is run 5man dungeons, you won't be raiding with anyone anyway; why do those raiders care what you're wearing?



And honestly, waiting for RNG to drop you a class-specific token or to roll on a for-everyone token is just STUPID. It rewards the LUCKY, not the dedicated who put in lots of time. With the from-currency system, both can be rewarded, and I feel that that's a lot more fair.

[NightHaawk]

You mean JP? I like the new JP system way better than the stupid badges, takes away the time consuming transfers.

You cant read can you.

[Bitmap]

it should be like it was in tbc - you can buy gear but its nowhere near as good as the gear you can obtain from even the lowest raiding content.

You never played TBC, did you? There was BT + level gear available from badges. You needed a lot of them, but it was definitely available.

On topic, i never really liked buying tier for badges, makes them worth way to much early on, and then generally worthless afterward.

[Chaoslux]

I kinda liked the thing they had with ICC. even take it to a new level:
the first tier level is BLUE. not epic. avaible for badges.
The second tier is via tier token found in raids, it upgrade your tier to be epic.
The third tier is heroic tokens found in raids.

I prefer the idea of tier set being avaible only from raids, but i dont want it to be a tier token for a single piece. Make it like ICC where its one token, and you decide the piece of gear you want.

[bobbert116]

I guess I'm in the middle. I enjoyed WotLK for the most part but I didn't like the way they went with the badge system. This might be because I believe

Vanilla > WotLK > TBC.

[312guiltyspark]

I like being able to get raid-ready gear with heroics and dungeons. Why? Because people will still know bads versus the not, and it'll help me gear up quicker.

Like someone said above, if all you do is run 5man dungeons, you won't be raiding with anyone anyway; why do those raiders care what you're wearing?


And honestly, waiting for RNG to drop you a class-specific token or to roll on a for-everyone token is just STUPID. It rewards the LUCKY, not the dedicated who put in lots of time. With the from-currency system, both can be rewarded, and I feel that that's a lot more fair.

no it doesnt reward the lucky. it rewards the unskilled. if you are in a raiding guild that is any good at all then the likelihood that you are going to go 2 resets without a token dropping for your class is miniscule. and thats part of raiding. not to go in get points and then go buy all gear you need. its a slow process of working together with others to SLOWLY build up the gear of your entire guild.

[iceberg265]

Personally I think that all loot should be removed from bosses except mounts or novelty items.

Just award kill points and let people buy their gear from vendors. Would solve alot of loot distribution issues, and let guilds gear up at teh same rate, rather than being at the mercy of RNG.

Obviously some items shoudl cost lots of points (trinkets, and such) and some less. With maybe tokens for curent tier items (which are removed when new teir is released).

I really dislike the whole, random item drops from boss system, I mean why are these bosses walking round with a goodie bag of loot just incase a group of heros mange to kill them?

That completely defeats the entire purpose of raiding IMO.

So you think that these random dudes in town having all this awesome gear makes more sense than bosses having it? If they have all this awesome gear why aren't they the ones out saving the world?

[312guiltyspark]

You never played TBC, did you? There was BT + level gear available from badges. You need a lot of them, but it was definitely available.

On topic, i never really liked buying tier for badges, makes them worth way to much early on, and then generally worthless afterward.

sorry clarify this# where was there bt level gear available in tbc? there was only the vendor in shattrah who gave out ssc/tk level gear at most and the vendor at the isle of quel dalas who gave out sunwell gear which could only be obtained from trading sunwell drops.
so where was this bt equivalent gear

[MissGwen]

I like being able to get raid-ready gear with heroics and dungeons. Why? Because people will still know bads versus the not, and it'll help me gear up quicker.

Like someone said above, if all you do is run 5man dungeons, you won't be raiding with anyone anyway; why do those raiders care what you're wearing?



And honestly, waiting for RNG to drop you a class-specific token or to roll on a for-everyone token is just STUPID. It rewards the LUCKY, not the dedicated who put in lots of time. With the from-currency system, both can be rewarded, and I feel that that's a lot more fair.

There's a difference between raid ready and raid level. Points are great for getting your character ready to raid and I think they should stay in that game. However, I don't think that anyone should be able to ding max level, run heroics for a couple days, and have current tier level gear. You run dungeons to get dungeon gear to get you ready to raid. You raid to get raid gear.

[Ihnasir]

Tokens by far, RNG can be a bitch and it's nice to acquire at the speed you desire, but this also leads the bads to getting the same gear and making themselves look awful in PuGs, still Tokens for your dedication to making your character better than just farming

[Krommm]

Call me an elitist epeen stroking snob, but I think tier gear should ONLY be available if you raid. So tokens is my preference. Points should get you comparable gear (though the lowest points should not). If all you do is run 5man dungeons, there's no reason for you to want/need raid level gear anyway.

This. It really doesn't matter who gets what gear, if they suck then it really doesn't do them any good does it? The only thing I'm against is too many freebies on current content.

[SilenceDHEU]

I liked the way it worked in naxx, uld, etc. But mainly uld. Why you ask?

In uldua only the harder bosses droped them, Ok so maybe hodir wasnt that hard, but he was one of the first, To get the t8 chest you had to kill yoggy10, or t8.5 sholders, yoggy25.

But i also liked the option to buy SOME of the items from badges, but in uld times there was "The Uld Badge" aka, Conquest, These ONLY droped from Ulduar, also the items cost ALOT of them, so to get one of the items, it took weeks.

So that is my opinion

[Tiglits]

Honestly, why do you people CARE what gear the bads are in? Does it make the stats on yours mean less? Does it mean that your skill with the class will show less? Not at all: if you're skilled and have the same gear, you'll do better, and it'll still show. It just means that both you and the bads will get the gear with less dependence on RNG and more dependence on actually doing the damn work and putting in time to get it.

[sicness]

tokens of course. buying tier gear from badges is just...whoever came up with that idea should be taken outside and shot twice...then shot again for good measure.
in fact buying gear from vendors that allows you to raid with is a terrible idea. it should be like it was in tbc - you can buy gear but its nowhere near as good as the gear you can obtain from even the lowest raiding content.

Spoken like someone who has never run a raiding guild.

The system they're implementing in Cataclysm is good by making heroic tier require specific tokens per piece and not just a heroic token while leaving the normal tier gear fully available via valor points, and eventually by justice points.