Dungeon Tool Finder Needs...

[Junlee]

Meh. I completely disagree. I just finished leveling two characters from 1-80, and then into full purples exclusively through the dungeon finder. It's very rare that I come across someone putting in so little effort that I would consider them "trolling" the system.

The people who pull 500 dps are generally in bad gear, and that's completely excusable to me. The few people who stand at the entrance are forgotten once we kill the first mob.

As I said before, I'm in the instance to enhance MY character. I couldn't care less what everybody else is doing as long as I get my experience/points.

I'm generally in a dungeon, tanking to farm justice points for a buddy who either just dinged 80 on their very first character (and can still pull 2400+...) or for a guildie who is behind on content.

It's a bit discouraging that 2/5ths of the party simply put forth no effort whatsoever just because "they can" and "it doesn't matter".

If it doesn't matter, don't queue, there's millions of other DPS'ers waiting in line who genuinely want to play and improve their game experience while e-socializing in a 15minute dungeon run with strangers across the country.

The last dungeon I ran a couple days ago had a fury warrior, freshly dinged 80, with a whopping gearscore of 900(as much as everyone hates GS), pulling 600dps in Heroic Halls of Reflection. On the bright side, any sort of AOE would bring this player down to near-death, so at least the healer had something to do.

^This has got to be a troll.

[Gaskal]

I think first of all people need to pass the IELTS exam with a minimum band score of 8.5 in each and a 9 total to be able to click on the "Dungeon Finder".
Then they need to go through the UCAS system (Or other equivalent university application systems) and extensive medical and psychological tests. Even if they manage to fulfill all the above criteria they need to be able to do a triple barrel roll, in which you jump into the air and spin 1080 degrees vertically while singing a Chinese song, to be able to actually get into a random heroic dungeon.

After all it's called heroic eh?

[Evolixe]

Does it really matter? It's not like they're difficult at all anymore. I always do at LEAST 40% of the damage on my NEWLY dinged 80 hunter with greens. We don't have any problem despite the other 2 dps pulling 500 dps. (not bragging, just proving a point - it doesn't matter what others do)

Instead of looking at it like you're helping someone who doesn't deserve the help, start looking at it like you're helping yourself (or else you wouldn't be there) and ignore everybody else.

And besides, the 5k dps you can pull as a tank is enough to clear the place, and you can probably heal through the damage yourself depending what class you are.

40% of what damage? dont be ridiculous, if theres another good dps you wont even come close to half of that.

Though i agree on the fact that this is bulls*t, who cares about 1 dps doing nothing? the heroics are done in 15mins or less anyway.
If you want it faster go group up with friends on guildies.

[Junlee]

40% of what damage? dont be ridiculous, if theres another good dps you wont even come close to half of that.

Though i agree on the fact that this is bulls*t, who cares about 1 dps doing nothing? the heroics are done in 15mins or less anyway.
If you want it faster go group up with friends on guildies.

Not discussing(complaining about) the speed or difficulty of the current content in this thread.

[Elektrik]

Well sorry to burst your bubble, but someone with a 900 gear score is not getting into H HoR through the dungeon finder. Either you're lying or mistaken. There are minimum gear levels for entrance into the ICC heroics, and it's certainly MUCH higher than 900 GS.

Back to your scenario of gearing up a friend. Let's look at 2 possible scenarios.

1) You join with a buddy who needs some points and gear. There are 2 people AFKing at the entrance. You clear the dungeon in 15 minutes. Your buddy gets his points and gear. This story is great for your buddy.

2) You join with a buddy who needs some points and gear. There are 5 people actively putting forth 110%. You clear the dungeon in 14 minutes. Your buddy gets his points and gear. This story is great for your buddy.

I fail to see how that extra minute could possibly irritate you so much. Your friend still gets his loot, and in relatively the same amount of time.

---------- Post added 2010-11-17 at 05:46 PM ----------

40% of what damage? dont be ridiculous, if theres another good dps you wont even come close to half of that.

Seriously? Won't even come close to half of that? So you're saying it's impossible to do 20% of the damage in a 5 man instance. Where 4 people are doing damage? Leaving 25% of the damage for every person?

If you're pulling 3k dps, the tank is pulling 1.5k and 2 other dps are pulling 1k each, you're doing 46% of the damage. 40% is not even close to ridiculous.

[Junlee]

Well sorry to burst your bubble, but someone with a 900 gear score is not getting into H HoR through the dungeon finder. Either you're lying or mistaken. There are minimum gear levels for entrance into the ICC heroics, and it's certainly MUCH higher than 900 GS.

Back to your scenario of gearing up a friend. Let's look at 2 possible scenarios.

1) You join with a buddy who needs some points and gear. There are 2 people AFKing at the entrance. You clear the dungeon in 15 minutes. Your buddy gets his points and gear. This story is great for your buddy.

2) You join with a buddy who needs some points and gear. There are 5 people actively putting forth 110%. You clear the dungeon in 14 minutes. Your buddy gets his points and gear. This story is great for your buddy.

I fail to see how that extra minute could possibly irritate you so much. Your friend still gets his loot, and in relatively the same amount of time.

---------- Post added 2010-11-17 at 05:46 PM ----------



Seriously? Won't even come close to half of that? So you're saying it's impossible to do 20% of the damage in a 5 man instance. Where 4 people are doing damage? Leaving 25% of the damage for every person?

If you're pulling 3k dps, the tank is pulling 1.5k and 2 other dps are pulling 1k each, you're doing 46% of the damage. 40% is not even close to ridiculous.

I understood there was an ilvl restriction on queueing for heroic hor. What I couldn't understand is why my GS was reporting this Tauren Warrior at 900gs. At first I assumed GS was misreporting as it does from time to time, until I saw the warrior had 12,000hp and was pushing out 600dps on trash. Presumably using nothing but the 1h spellpower heirloom mace because I could not inspect and no gear was showing on the char aside from the tabard and mace.

[Elektrik]

Well yeah, that's a different story. You didn't say the dude was wearing a spellpower mace and no other gear. lol

[Sarcasm]

Well sorry to burst your bubble, but someone with a 900 gear score is not getting into H HoR through the dungeon finder. Either you're lying or mistaken. There are minimum gear levels for entrance into the ICC heroics, and it's certainly MUCH higher than 900 GS.

The dungeon finder ranks you worthy based on the gear you own, not on the gear you're wearing. Someone could be in full ICC purps, take them all off and put on a noob set, then run in to H HoR with their trollface on quite happily.

[Kruv]

The dungeon finder was a great addition. If you don't want to risk getting bads, find people on your server or ask friends.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

there has always been a percentage of players who are just bad. And since the number of subscribers has exploded that means the percentage is the same, but there are simply more of them.

i personally recommend to you to just take this all in stride. be the bigger and mroe mature man and realize you can do all the healing int he world but you can't heal people's egos.

On the positive notes here are soem helpful tips to help you spot before hand whether or not you are in a bad group.

1. Say "hi" at the very start. a player who doesn't say anything is a potential botter/afker. If they respond with anything other than 'hey,hi,hello,oi,heya' or other various simple greetings you can expect at least a mildly perturbed person.

2. If you are a healer or a dps and see the tank take off without asking or at least looking to see if the healer is keeping up or has him targeted, you are in for a bad group. The tank is either bad, or outgears the place or has an ego the size of both azerothian moons put together.

3. If a dps takes off ahead of the tank or starts attacking a completely different mob than the tank you can expect trouble.

4. A DK tank with two swords. it doesn't matter that you are right and he is wrong. it doesn't matter that he does it all the time, this one is trouble save yourself the time and trouble of trying to teach him how to play.

5. Any character whose name has a litteral meaning, or normal words. eg: a rogue named "Shadowslol" a hunter named "Hunterpullok" or a dktank named "Magictank". Huge warning sign they are probably a PVP hero or they are 12.

6. People who complain more than 1-2 sentances about the instance they randomly signed up for. OR people who don't shut up, or people whien and moan about either lack of extra bosses or decision to do extra bosses, whent he majority of the group has already decided.

7.Anyone who is less than formal and polite iis always goign to cause small problem or two.

8. A dps who is doing uner 1000 dps in a heroic or 800 dps in a normal is either a bad player, a botter, or a dual boxxer. This is a very low standard especially after 4.0 patch. Watch your recount, do nto encourage carries.

9.People who take these rules too seriously and point them out right away publicly and try to play watchdog. Shut your mouth and just use the vote to kick feature until you've removed the problem causer withotu beign one yourself.

10.Worst of all, if you see two or more people from the same server you can expect huge problems and worst of all you can expect the vote to kick feature to be almost worthless. If they are from the same server and the same guild then you can expect HUGE problems. Drop group right away or just shut your mouth and let them win because there is no way you are going to be able to introduce any sanity as the crazies now hold the majority.

There are always exceptions to prove the rule, but you should seriously consider these rules as a way to spot the warning signs and understand if you might be the oen causing problems. Consider each of these rules a 10% failure.

100% S rank group usually ends with "great run guys" or "lets run soem more" and other pleasantries
90% is an A-team
80% B-team, not your best option but only one problem causer who wasn't bad enough to wipe the group.
70% C-team usually has two problem causers,one of which was kicked, but you ran out of votes to kick the second
60% D-team this is the kind of group you read about on the forums, this is usually the group with 3+guildies. This is the group you were mocked and heckled throughout even tho you were the only one doing your job. This group wouldn't have succeeded without you, and you are a better person for carrying them
50% Failures these are the groups that always fall apart, these are the horror stories that people dont even have the willpower to post about on the forums, these are groups that end up getting a GM involved, these are groups that PVE and PVP heroes fear eaqually and usually have the good sense to drop out of early.

Everything else is just beyond the scope of comprehension and only a madman would try to make a group succeed with less than 50%. Consequentially these are the "many whelps, handle it" and the "mnmnmnmnjenkins!" of wow. They are the too ridiculous to succeed, but the so awesomely bad they cannot die.

Not something you should strive for as 1/100 F-teams will ever succeed at being awesomely bad,and usually just end up bad.

what he said

[RaoBurning]

In the current state of the game.. you have to TRY pretty damn hard to pull less than 1k dps as a level 80.

Brb, trolling random dungeon groups because it's the popular thing to do.

I haven't done less than 1k DPS since something like 68 or 70 on any of my new toons. Hell maybe even earlier than that.

[Krommm]

The people who pull 500 dps are generally in bad gear, and that's completely excusable to me.

Sorry, but 500 dps was maybe excusable for BC or leveling. I think at a bare minimum people should pull 1-1.5k with merely greens as any class/DPS spec. This is 80 heroics we're talking about.

There is no way to "fix" the Random Dungeon Finder without breaking it. You've seen it before and you'll see it again. Join a guild.

[serebii]

The main thing that i would like to see put into lfd is a system that wont let you accept a que for an instance when you have res sickness debuff (but keeps you in que for when debuff is gone) and gives the group a cdless kick for someone that gets it while in group.

[Deleted]

... to impose DPS minimum requirements for DPS slots. (Say.. 1.8k+ for heroics).

not impose, but actually track the dps done in the last instances done, so you can inspect the guy and actually see what he can do. Skill shouldn't remain confidential in this game.

[Deleted]

I was born with a burning hot rage towards people that expect a free lunch.

If someone is undergeared but is trying, I don't give a fuck, but if someone is undergeared, geared, overgeared or GOD himself but tries not, he's out.

I'm talking about the people that simply slack. They do acceptable damage per second but complete shit overall damage due to them being arrogant cocks expecting a free ride.

[H4wkeye]

So OP, I have a question since you are such a smart ass. How do you think people will get geared, improve their DPS and learn their rotation better, if you DON'T let them queue for HC's by implementing a minimum DPS check? Idiots like you should be banned from playing WoW cause you are ignorant jerks.

[Lucetia]

OT: If you don't like what you get in the dungeon finder, get ignoremore and slowly but surely weed out the people you don't think are worthy of your almighty awesomness. That's what us cool people are doing.

The downfall of that addon though is that it doesn't block you from queuing with that person again as it doesn't place an ignore server side, only on the client side so you won't see them talking again.

---------- Post added 2010-11-18 at 07:05 AM ----------

Sorry, but 500 dps was maybe excusable for BC or leveling. I think at a bare minimum people should pull 1-1.5k with merely greens as any class/DPS spec. This is 80 heroics we're talking about.

If you do nothing but level or quest in Northrend (not grind mobs or craft profession items) you should be able to pull 1k dps with ease at level 80. My mage got to 80 and she has about half her gear from Outlands still and half from Northrend mixed with a couple epics and she still pulls at least 3-4k dps (which is sadly more than some of the better geared people in LFD).

[Deleted]

I rarely have actual problems with the LFD tool. Things tend to work out, I tell tanks to wait 30 secs after first boss to kick a douchebag that's still at the entrance afking. Same goes for assholes, I'll take a 30 mins (or sometimes between 15 and 5mins strangely. Don't seem to get credit for being a dungeon deserter all the time anymore) of levelling a profession, getting small-time achievements done or whatever over a dickweed with an personality problem any day. Remember, the best way to play is not to get in the way

[Sarcasm]

"It's just a 5 man, fuckin relax"

The line commonly said by bads and slackers who think they can underperform because everyone else will make up for their shortcomings. Sends me in to a frothing rage every time I hear it.

[blazto]

So OP, I have a question since you are such a smart ass. How do you think people will get geared, improve their DPS and learn their rotation better, if you DON'T let them queue for HC's by implementing a minimum DPS check? Idiots like you should be banned from playing WoW cause you are ignorant jerks.

Hawk you have 80 levels to learn your class, no excuses. There are training dummies and sites like this to help people out. Calling someone an idiot because they expect players to be competent is idiotic. Even with greens a player can pull 1.5k dps or more. Is WoW really that complicated?