So What I Click!

[Hezron]

The way I see it is if you're having fun and not causing a problem for anyone else then I see no problem in enjoying yourself, it is a game after-all.

It's such a shame that there are still people who are retarded and think otherwise.

[Deleted]

There will always be elitists who say that anything under 54 keybinds means you're a complete noob who knows nothing of the game and that you're an unemployed virgin, living at home, watching animal porn. (elitists can be extreme sometime)

Fact of the matter is, if you CAN compete and pull some good dps (especially as a feral cat) using your playstyle, then props to you.

I've tried to bind strafe to my A and D keys (instead of Q and E) but I just can't. So I use Q and E for strafing and I'm happy. And guess what, I'm easily one of the best players in my guild (and no, that guild is not full of brainless noobs).

[Rioik]

right o if i have to move fast i use my mouse like the 180 people talk about..but its the clicking part if i was left handed would be so much better lol but o well i just it another shot with key bindings see what happens but i am not fast with my left hand at all lol so if people ask if i click sayin no from now on..didnt know it was this big of a deal lol thanks all

[autopsy]

Next time if someone asks you if you use keybinds just lie. I got kicked from a guild after 3 months back in ulduar because i posted a screenie on guild forums and it showed that i use NumPad & ins/home/delete/end key binds and apparently that is "fail".

[Digitalspork]

Another one of these... /sigh.

[Deleted]

right o if i have to move fast i use my mouse like the 180 people talk about..but its the clicking part if i was left handed would be so much better lol but o well i just it another shot with key bindings see what happens but i am not fast with my left hand at all lol so if people ask if i click sayin no from now on..didnt know it was this big of a deal lol thanks all

The best thing you can do, is to prove them wrong by showing them how good you are, even though are clicking. If they ask, say no at first but then say that you actually do when you post the DPS meters that shows that you are better than many of the other people in the raid.

Nothing shuts people up like solid proof of them being wrong.

[Poodles]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, keybinds aren't any faster if you have a good setup on your actionbars. There is something called a "global cooldown" folks. Plus, I can move out of fire, AND click.

Now keyboard turning...

[Fenlnir]

It happens. I do the same thing. If you can pull 15k dps and still be on top of the mechanics, then more power to you.

[Melodi]

right o if i have to move fast i use my mouse like the 180 people talk about..but its the clicking part if i was left handed would be so much better lol but o well i just it another shot with key bindings see what happens but i am not fast with my left hand at all lol so if people ask if i click sayin no from now on..didnt know it was this big of a deal lol thanks all

I'm pretty sure most of the people in this thread (and the other huge thread about this) are right handed as well (I am). If anything I would think it would be more awkward for a lefty because if he's moving with his mouse like he should, it would be with his right non dominant hand which could lead to you screwing up more. (My husband is a lefty, he just deals with it) It's all about training yourself to memorize your keybinds mentally and motor skills with that hand. So regardless of what hand you use, you'll be just as fast because you memorized it.

Or, you could just lie about it and say yes if it ever comes up again. I strongly urge you to give it about 2-3 weeks to try out keybinding though. Even if you do it in small steps, that's more than enough time to learn. Also, target dummies are excellent to learn your rotations and bindings on.

[Deleted]

i click and im proud.

Clickers cant move/react as fast as binders? FO.....

[Darko]

Unfortunatly players are arrogant in the assumption that binding always equals a better player.
Instead it means a player who can in theory react faster, but that does not make them better.

...which, in turn, in practice also means better performing player. Nobody wants to see you playing awesomely in level 47 gear when you can play awesomely in 80 epics.

Decent clicker will perform better than a crap keybinder but the problem is you would not be comparing like with like. A decent clicker simply must become an even better player after spending some time and effort in training themselves to bind. Excuses "I tried but.." just don't cut it as the switch can't happen overnight.

[Roxigar]

You probably won't fit right in that guild anyway. Look for a guild that judges you on your performance.

Personally I use some weird keybinding/clicking/mousebutton binding hybrid. Sounds awkward but I'm always top 3 in actions done during battle

[Deleted]

I personally hate keybinding i prefer clicking but if your a fast clicker you can probably match your speed with a average keybinder to me personally id have to look at the button for my spell as i have a pretty cruddy memory with small things, its easy to click with the mouse and move with it on GCD's imo only keybind i have to properly use is T for taunt(go figure)

Im actually left handed but i actually use the mouse with my right and the actual turning keys to move not WASD know its pretty crap way but its my way and im perfectly fine with it

[Dazu]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, keybinds aren't any faster if you have a good setup on your actionbars. There is something called a "global cooldown" folks. Plus, I can move out of fire, AND click.

Now keyboard turning...

This is the truth.

I use a combination generally 1-4 is my main spells, rest are clicked, however I usually end up top on the dps given fair gear comparison to anyone ive met, I also die less and generally react as quick as anyone else. Most people I know do keybind and few can change targets, react, move or keep up with me on dps. My main is also a tank so my awareness needs to be spot on, very rarely has my tanking ever been the cause of something bad happening.

As comparison, before 4.0 I had 4 dps over 10k dps in ICC, all alts with whichever gear I could get (The raids I did had mains mainspec and offspec over alts). So mostly I was in 251, 245 and 232 items, and 200 trinkets (My hunter was pulling 13k dps still with Mirror of truth and a 245 PvP crit trinket).

[Rollo]

well. Honestly, pulling 15k is fine and all, but if all the healers are having to focus heal you because you don't move away fast enough because you're keyboard turning, you're still a hinderance on a raid. Being able to pull big dpses isn't a good measure of your raid worth.

Fact is, the only way to tell for sure how someone will do is play with them, but in general, you'll always be able to move faster with the mouse and using your keyboard for abilities than the other way around. Sorry, just how it is. Blame Blizzard.

im pretty sure someone who clicks their attacks can use their mouse to turn as well. all it takes is a right click and hold to spin in the direction you need, start moving forward or strafing, and then back to clicking your attacks while you are moving (assuming instants or melee class being in range). of course, i am not saying clicking is the way to go either, i dont really see a hinderance to it in pve. i've seen many people who click and do well, and people who bind and plainly suck. and ive seen the opposite of that as well.

the only thing i can see wrong with clicking is getting to your correct attack within youer gcd...but if you have them positioned in such a fashion that they arent distant to eachother, that shouldnt be an issue.

its the same arguement (imo) as clicking on grid/healbot or using mouse over heals on raid frames. sure, a mouse over heal may get that initial heal off a fraction of a second quicker, but if you are spamming, the rest of the heals will be with the gcd, so you really arent that much quicker. some people are just more comfortable with that play style.

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I've seen people turned down for less. Like someone getting turned down for having their mount button on their 1-9 action bar (I think it was number 5)

haha...my buddy is like that (random stuff on his main action bar). but his excuse is that he is left handed, mouses with his left hand, and binds everything to the keypad.

[Morggane]

people that rage about other peoples play style
"OMG THEY PLAY DIFFERENT TO ME AND IM DA BESTEZ PLAYER IN THE WORLD SO MY PLAY STYLE IS THE BESTEZ"
I honestly dont care how people play as long as it suits them

Nobody is obligated to adopt a plays style over another, but keybindings offer real advantages over clicking depending of the level of performance you are trying to achieve.

For example, you dont have to worry where is your mouse on your screen. you use your mouse to move only. Right click is always on and you never keyboard turn. (takes 5 sec to see qwho keyboard turns)
You dont have to chose between moving or dpsing, saving precious seconds when its important. You can do both at the same time leaving more brain power to focus on other stuff happening arround you. Its especially important for a melee class, less for a caster, even less for a healer.

try it i say, get a mouse with like 5-6 buttons on it, you'll never want to go back.

[OnlineSamantha]

We have a guy in my guild, who lost an arm in an accident a couple of years ago. He is a cllcker, and it's fine, although it's hard for him to get out of Sindragosa's pull in.

[Ralamus]

for PvE i feel it doesn't even matter.

If it was a PvP guild someone was trying to get into and they said no, i could easily see why they'd get turned down by saying they click.

[Tribunal]

If you're good enough for what you/your guild/the guild you want to be in wants, it doesn't matter how you get there.

If you're not good enough, you should use the method that most of the time will get you better faster and more efficiently - which for the vast majority of players, due to various human and hardware restrictions, is key binding (however an argument can be made for being ingrained in the other system - that really just comes down to how hard you want to work to improve).

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If you simply want to improve from an already good enough position, I think you can hit a higher theoretical max with key binds, due to aforementioned limits. However, at the point where it would really start to matter for someone already having relatively high levels of success with either method is at a very high level of human reflexes/reactions/skill.

Basically, if you're good enough you can use either and your skill will show. I think your skill will show slightly more with key binding, but that the time, effort and learning-curve of switching have to be considered.

[Zurai]

It really depends how far you want to go in PvE, medicore guild doing maybe a few heroic bosses but doesn't care either way, then yes thats fine, but hardcore guild clearing everything, not a chance, try and move from a reactive defile on heroic LK, any clicker will die and possibly wipe the raid right then and there, you cannot move fast enough with your keyboard, it just doesn't happen.