Current State of Algalon

[HatsHatsHats]

Yesterday I went to Ulduar 10 and finally got my drake, and of course after we did 1light we headed to Algalon. Since none of us had done the fight before or even seen it, we spent some time looking up the fight then started at it. When we first engaged we noticed the timer wasn't showing up, but not to give us false hope we operated under the assumption that we still only had one hour. After a bunch of disconnects and wipes we were getting him to about 25% with just plain zerging, 4 people doing 15k dps and just getting one star down for the only big bang that was going to happen and ignoring constellations all together. We soon realized after our flasks fell off that he wasn't going anywhere and quickly finished the fight about 10 minutes after he was supposed to leave (once the pressure of him disappearing was gone it seemed much easier).

TL;DR: Alg can be zerged to the point you can ignore his mechanics and you no longer have a time limit on killing him, does he even deserve the title "The Raid Destroyer" anymore?

[shadowkras]

Try Herald of Titans, and come back to tell us.

[Zhiv]

Old bosses are old. When was the last time you saw the second phase of Ragnaros?

[Klokie]

your tying to say that content thats one and a half year old and 50 item levels lower then ICC is to easy?

try doing it in just 226 gear then

[Checksmix]

Try Herald of Titans, and come back to tell us.

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Old bosses are old. When was the last time you saw the second phase of Ragnaros?

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if you do a boss in the gear and level they where designed for it is MUCH harder. The fact that you still wiped for an HOUR on that boss in gear that is TWICE as good as what you are supposed to have still lets him have that title.

[Heilige]

Fire mages staying out during Big Bangs and continually DPS'ing = lulz.

Was fun doing Herald back in March, but other then that the fight is a joke. Herald was even a joke post 4.0.1

[Lycann]

Old bosses are old. When was the last time you saw the second phase of Ragnaros?

Actually my vanilla guild was able to kill Rag before sons at level 60, we were all in MC gear at the time, and when we went back in naxx40 gear to farm legendaries we killed rag in 55 seconds shit was crazy.

[scvd]

Try Herald of Titans, and come back to tell us.

Tried it nowadays? You'll think twice about making it out to be hard.

[Chozn]

Yeah, its so stupid how easy he is now. Its like that one time when my guildies and I decided to go back to BT at level 80 and we were able to Zerg Nejentus and we never even needed to throw the spike at him. So stupid how mechanics at higher levels are irrelevant right?

[Deleted]

Try do the fight as it was intended, this means, how it was a year and 4 months ago. Do you seriously expect a boss from 2 tiers ago to be challenging when you massively outgear him? It isn't Blizzard's nor our fault that your guild/raid group was to scrubby to do him back in the day :/

It's like complaining on how easy normal mode Deadmines is as a lvl 80.

[mostlyharmless]

Tried it nowadays? You'll think twice about making it out to be hard.

Assuming you understand that herald forces you to use content-appropriate gear, why would you say herald is easier now? The 4.0 changes made it tougher for tanks and healers, and hit ratings are much higher for most dps.

[Atty]

You can kill Patchwerk in 30 seconds, he needs his hp buffed.

[Deleted]

Herald was also changed so you can use 226 ilvl armor and 232 weapons. It wasn't always like that you know.. so even that was made alot, alot easier.

[Fishmongers]

In ICC gear yea its a joke, I did an alt run the other night to teach some people the fight cause like 6 people never ahd seen him before. After my explanation and rundown we were able to 2 shot him after people saw the mechanics in action during the first attempt. Its still very challenging though on herald. Easier? Yes. Easy? No.

[shadet]

TL;DR: Alg can be zerged to the point you can ignore his mechanics and you no longer have a time limit on killing him, does he even deserve the title "The Raid Destroyer" anymore?

Is Algalon Zergable to the point that you don't get a Big Bang now? Since this is really the only mechanic that was ever really a killer (ignoring the fact he hits hard anyway) if so they yeah mechanics are no issue. If not then mechanics are still an issue! Apart from that Algalon hasn't really been an issue for people that have a rough idea of how to play since ToC days.

[WTFlux]

Herald was also changed so you can use 226 ilvl armor and 232 weapons. It wasn't always like that you know.. so even that was made alot, alot easier.

It was always like that, iirc.

[Heywes]

It was always like that, iirc.

Heroic Ulduar bosses awarded 232 weapons on 10man and 226 gear on 10man. So yeah i am pretty dam sure it was like that.

Herald to the Titans, when done with heroic ulduar 10 gear, is still hard. Not as hard, but it requires effort.

And yeah, we can zerg him down easily aswell, but you dont expect much more when you outgear the content by 2.5 tiers.

[mostlyharmless]

Herald to the Titans, when done with heroic ulduar 10 gear, is still hard. Not as hard, but it requires effort.

I see no reason herald is any easier post-4.0 than ever. Tanks and healers have it tougher, dps requires far higher hit, gear restrictions are same now as during T8...

[shadet]

I see no reason herald is any easier post-4.0 than ever. Tanks and healers have it tougher, dps requires far higher hit, gear restrictions are same now as during T8...

Strange, i've reforged hit into other stats on pretty much all my characters. only really warriors (maybe rogues) that require more hit than pre-4.0. Gear restrictions are the same yes, but DPS on the majority of classes has increased and tank health has also increased. The only main issue I could see would be healers. So all in all it would probably be slightly easier post-4.0 imo.

[mostlyharmless]

Strange, i've reforged hit into other stats on pretty much all my characters. only really warriors (maybe rogues) that require more hit than pre-4.0. Gear restrictions are the same yes, but DPS on the majority of classes has increased and tank health has also increased. The only main issue I could see would be healers. So all in all it would probably be slightly easier post-4.0 imo.

As an arcane mage I needed an additional 237 hit, but may be that arcane mages were odd that way. It may be that herald is very slightly easier due to the extra health, even with healing nerfs. A few posts made it seem like herald suddenly became an easy achievement, but I'd say it's honestly about the same challenge as ever. It's not like there's a 30% icecrown buff or something.