Thoughts about the Wintergrasp/Tol Barad situation

[noremac]

So I don't know about all you guys, but with the new change to Wintergrasp really killed chances for me to get on my server (Mal'Ganis Horde side).

But what if they changed Wintergrasp to just a free for all battle, where it would assemble 2 teams regardless of their faction so that you can at least get in the battle, do whatever quests you need to get done, and get some honor points.

It just seems ridiculous to be excluded from something just because of the faction you pick... even if that means you have to fight with alliance on your team and you fight against your horde friends, or vice versa.

[kolbeck]

omg you got to walk around and get the buffs

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Big numbers!!!

[feigning]

I dislike it since it's horribly boring to the lower population side. I play on the lower population faction of my server, and it's really not fun. Sure, we can finally win more than once or twice a week, but it's not fun to do 2v2 or even 1v1 half the time in a zone built for 70+ players. I get next to no honor per battle aside from final honor, no real PvP happens, and I am left quite dissatisfied and normally AFK out before the battle is even half over. I wanted a fix for this problem, but this just isn't it.

[Sym]

omg you got to walk around and get the buffs

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Big numbers!!!

What the...?

OT: I do think that it's kind of annoying to be left out of WG just because your faction is overpopulated, but I honestly can't think of a better idea.

[ketzil]

Yeah i have the same problem (alliance greymane). The way they made it really does make it fair for everyone, I'm still for the old way. Life isn't always fair, why should zone wide bgs be any different?

[Elysia]

This forum is only for suggestions actually pertaining to MMO-Champion, not in-game stuff. Your thoughts would be better heard on the official forums.

[ketzil]

I think he was just letting us know his thoughts on the matter, not making a suggestion/complaint to blizzard.

[Elysia]

I think he was just letting us know his thoughts on the matter, not making a suggestion/complaint to blizzard.

He put it in the Suggestions/Feedback forums, though. Hence my post.

[noremac]

Ah oops, I didn't realize, it is in the World of Warcraft sub-forum so I figured it was for ingame suggestions/feedback... kind of confusing from where it is but that may just be me. :/

[Neliah]

I hate it.. I really do. The fact that Alliance are so damn lazy on my realm (Twisting Nether EU), everytime I que for WG, there's no room for me.. like.. never. I haven't been able to get into a WG battle since this BS was added, and it's really pissing me off since I was actually hunting achivements there.

[Deleted]

It will balance out factions a little more since you'll be more inclined to roll the lesser-populated faction. Also it makes the playing field alot more fair for both sides. I think it's cool in other words. Regardless I don't get into half of the battles.

[taekvideo]

omg you got to walk around and get the buffs

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Big numbers!!!

[ketzil]

He put it in the Suggestions/Feedback forums, though. Hence my post.

dddddidn't even notice

[fathertom]

OK sure, how bout the opposite perspective, if a 10 man guild wants to run (whatever the Tol Borad raid is called) and all sign in, and 50 horde sign in, its 10 vs 50, they have no chance and are screwed, these 10 people who tried and wanted to go experience a new raid are just plain screwed by it? They didn't get a fair fight to see who deserved to win the area. This change highly balanced the over population of horde on most servers, if you don't like it, find a better balanced server.

[noremac]

OK sure, how bout the opposite perspective, if a 10 man guild wants to run (whatever the Tol Borad raid is called) and all sign in, and 50 horde sign in, its 10 vs 50, they have no chance and are screwed, these 10 people who tried and wanted to go experience a new raid are just plain screwed by it? They didn't get a fair fight to see who deserved to win the area. This change highly balanced the over population of horde on most servers, if you don't like it, find a better balanced server.

You bring up a good point... it seems like everything Blizzard does is done for a good reason, and my best guess is the reason here is so that people in unbalanced servers have to pay them for a server/faction change, because it seems really hard to believe they would oversee the fact that people on unbalanced realms would get screwed over.

[kerwyn]

Don't like it, don't play on a heavy unbalanced server.

[rabbimojo]

Don't like it, don't play on a heavy unbalanced server.

Which is Blizzard's argument as well, but until now there's never been a real disincentive to do that. As a result, many of us are just on random realms for whatever reason. I haven't been able to get into a WG since they put in the new system.

I feel the impact on player experience is too high for the minor positive balancing pressure this provides.

[kerwyn]

Which is Blizzard's argument as well, but until now there's never been a real disincentive to do that. As a result, many of us are just on random realms for whatever reason. I haven't been able to get into a WG since they put in the new system.

I feel the impact on player experience is too high for the minor positive balancing pressure this provides.

Sorry. I disagree.

Having realms with absurd population imbalances is worse on player experience than not being able to get into wintergrasp or tol'barad. Imagine being a new player who doesn't know any better and rolling on a dead faction, only to discover you can't progress in the slightest on your server once getting near max level. Yes, it's blizzard's fault that this happened in the first place, but they have to do something to fix it. Forcing balance in these zones is a start.

e: if server balance is over a certain threshold you should not be able to roll a character or transfer to the imbalanced faction. It's pretty stupid that this limitation isn't already in place.

[Moonstream]

Sorry. I disagree.

Having realms with absurd population imbalances is worse on player experience than not being able to get into wintergrasp or tol'barad. Imagine being a new player who doesn't know any better and rolling on a dead faction, only to discover you can't progress in the slightest on your server once getting near max level. Yes, it's blizzard's fault that this happened in the first place, but they have to do something to fix it. Forcing balance in these zones is a start.

e: if server balance is over a certain threshold you should not be able to roll a character or transfer to the imbalanced faction. It's pretty stupid that this limitation isn't already in place.

Agreed.

It will balance out factions a little more since you'll be more inclined to roll the lesser-populated faction. Also it makes the playing field alot more fair for both sides. I think it's cool in other words. Regardless I don't get into half of the battles.

People may actually jump off the horde bandwagon /gasp . For example, about half the horde on Executus-US were alliance who transfered because of that tenacity crap. Which left the alliance community dead/full of bads/full of new people, resulting in most of the people who were good to go horde/server transfer. Which left a few diehards to suffer most of the expansion. /end rant, life may continue

[Deleted]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how this thing plays out in cataclysm.

On my server, which is *massively* alliance dominated (92%:8% according to WCR), Horde now controls voa pretty much all the time, due to having dedicated pvpers that get pitted against random alliance who've never seen each other before.

So far not much has changed population-wise. Neither do I see much faction changing, nor massive rerolling of horde characters.
It'll be interesting to see whether a notifiable number of alliance players switch over to horde to get into TB, or if they'll just live with it.
It wouldn't hurt.