Cataclysm will start hard, but it won't stay hard.

[Umbrokill]

Cata will become easy the same way Wrath did: When we're a patch or two in and can get raid-level gear by farming heroics, and therefore outgear the heroic by a ton. THAT is why Wrath heroics are ridiculously easy now, and that's why Cata heroics will probably end up being the same thing in a few months when we get Patch 4.1.

The thing with the Cata Heroics vs the Wrath Heroics is that Cata HC's have INSTADEATH abilities wittch you cant outgear, Wrath didnt have this. This is the way they are making things harde, almost every boss in Cata HC's has an instant kill abitily, so whatever gear you have, if you STAND IN THE FIRE, you will die.

casuals just need to learn tactics and not fail, things arnt that hard.
my point is, Outgearing is not going to be what causes things to become easier, casual retards (people who cant be botherd to even just learn a bit before the fight) who whine and QQ and some more QQ will get things nerfed.

I'm just praying that Blizzard doesnt give inn to the masses and forces them to learn things/L2P or get out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqzTp...eature=related (replace "America and Colonies" with Cataclysm and you will get why i linked this)

[Ltsmash]

Everyone who started after WotLK came out will cry about the difficulty, and come patch 4.1, nerfs everywhere.

fart fart fart fart all i hear is farts

stop talking out of your ass.

[Hoothor]

in fact you are wrong, although most 5 mans will be outgeared which is natural for any MMO, there are mechanics that are designed to kill, no matter your gear level, although it may get easier, it will not be 'easy' as wrath players would know

[Arcangel14]

Normal modes is for everyone, heroic modes is for people who arent bad.
If bad's cry about heroic-mode being to hard in raids, I'll probably lose it

[TJ]

casuals just need to learn tactics and not fail, things arnt that hard.
my point is, Outgearing is not going to be what causes things to become easier, casual retards (people who cant be botherd to even just learn a bit before the fight) who whine and QQ and some more QQ will get things nerfed.

Its not just casuals you know, its not like the hardcore no lifers go into the dungeon and instinctly just know all the tactics straight away. In no way is a casual worse than a hardcore player like you are suggesting

[davesurfer]

Do we need another one of these? The game isn't out and people QQing about nerfs not discussed on content not released. It seems people sit around thinking of things to complain about.

[micho]

Except they won't ever do that and I can tell you why: Progression.

Blizzard wants people to progress through content, if they made everything basically just as difficult throughout the expansion, what would be the point of obtaining new gear?

Blizzard already said that with each new content patch there will be new 5man heroics introduced that will be obviously higher difficultly than previous ones. So while the starting Cataclysm heroics will become "faceroll" there will be new ones that will challenge some players.

nvm what i said

[yahtzo]

if they wanted progression the would't have put the dungeon finder in place....

What?

[micho]

Normal modes is for everyone, heroic modes is for people who arent bad.
If bad's cry about heroic-mode being to hard in raids, I'll probably lose it

one problem here if normal were too easy what would casual who want to be chalenged (might be a big part of wow players u don't know ) do? htas why the should put in place 3 difficulties not 2 ...

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What?

nvm it misunderstood.. :P

[sicness]

Cata will become easy the same way Wrath did: When we're a patch or two in and can get raid-level gear by farming heroics, and therefore outgear the heroic by a ton. THAT is why Wrath heroics are ridiculously easy now, and that's why Cata heroics will probably end up being the same thing in a few months when we get Patch 4.1.

You're right and wrong. You'll be able to get tier behind gear via heroics, but that gear won't make the most current content, or even the older content, as faceroll as it made Toc/Ulduar in ICC. Why? Because gear won't scale as ridiculously as it did in Wrath.

Also, stop with this bullshit that casuals whine about content, because they never really have and blaming them for nerfs is asinine.

[Covert]

Alright so the game will be hard for like what 2 years? Then around the time the next expansion hits it will be come easy, what's wrong with that? We all would have played the hell out of this next expansion and it's not going to be difficult at all near the new one. So why not make it easier so that everyone can gear up and enjoy the content?


OT: When I saw the name of this topic I instantly thought of "Viagra".

[Possiblyreefer]

I've been scared about that too, but only light I see at the end of the tunnel is that they really won't be able to get away with making everything faceroll, as 2011 is probably going to be the first year in WoW history where they're going to have real competition. If they continue to nerf and make everything easy, Star Wars and GW2 wins, nuff said.

Cata includes more "fuck you" mechanics as i like to call them. If you fuck up you die. rather than you fuck up, you take slightly more damage that the healer can outheal in 1 or 2 tiers.

[crazysmacker]

As a player who started in late Wrath (few weeks prior to 3.3) i am actually looking foward to the hard aspect of this game. Granted, i will be P/O'ed when my group wipes on the same boss over and over, but sooner or later we will learn the fights and it'll get better.

[Algore]

Wouldnt surprise me if OP is a full 251 geared dk with blue gems.

[GennGreymane]

group party in the future

Person: Yo this heroic is soo easy Casualclysm lol!
Me: dude its been out for a year... ur in t12 and this is prob the 100th time u did blackrock cavern.
Person: yo dude shut up casual lol lawl.

group today

Person: lol wotlk is faceroll rofl rofl
me: ur in t10 and this is heroic nexus. this is like what ur 100th time doing
person: lol shut up i downed muru pre nerf
me: u and everyone else on mmo-champion

[yahtzo]

As a player who started in late Wrath (few weeks prior to 3.3) i am actually looking foward to the hard aspect of this game. Granted, i will be P/O'ed when my group wipes on the same boss over and over, but sooner or later we will learn the fights and it'll get better.

Your doing it wrong, if you started playing after November 13th, 2008 then you have to act like a bad cry baby and whine for nerfs.

[Aruzar]

If your Cataclysm remains hard longer than 4 hours consult a GM.

[Deleted]

Gear increases tend to make stuff easy.

I reckon by the end of cata, the normal heroics will be about as hard as the ICC ones are now in 264/277 gear, if not slightly easier.

[Algore]

Your doing it wrong, if you started playing after November 13th, 2008 then you have to act like a bad cry baby and whine for nerfs.

Yes because people who started to play in Wrath are crybabies? are they? no they aren't.
Casual doesnt mean you are bad, casual means that you dont play the game as often as other hardcore players does.

[sicness]

Cata includes more "fuck you" mechanics as i like to call them. If you fuck up you die. rather than you fuck up, you take slightly more damage that the healer can outheal in 1 or 2 tiers.

You're right, but honestly I think it has a lot more to do with healers not having the mana to spend on avoidable raid damage than anything else.