LOLAoE pulls still...

[sperks]

I thought blizzard was trying to get away from this playstyle, but it turns out even in the new content players are so bent on old ways.

For example...
I join a dungeon, tank says "it's my first time here" so I figure he will take it slow since none of us knew any tacts, but no he runs gathers a group of mobs and the group dies from all the mob aoe damage. Myself, being a sly mage occurred ib then invis to zone to avoid the crazy clothy repairs now . We group up rebuff and he does it again, and again we all die. So I left.
Just my little qq.
Wondering what you all think, are you changing playstyle or just doing the ol' Lolol pull wotlk style?

[Traejun]

In regulars, it's pretty much mass-pulls and AE. Mind you, I've only done BWC, ToT, and Stonecore. In those dungeons, it worked just fine and I never really got close to dying. Stonecore was a little tougher, so we actually had to FF down some caster mobs - but no CC req'd.

When you get to later 5's and heroics, that will change...for a little while. Nice everyone is JP/VP, raid, 85 craftables, and T11 geared...it'll just be LOLoE

[Wildstaff]

Just wait til you get into heroics, it's been said that normal modes are not hard AT ALL except for the extremely dumb people who don't know to move out of the way of erunak's ground spikes

[kerwyn]

When you get to later 5's and heroics, that will change...for a little while. Nice everyone is JP/VP, raid, 85 craftables, and T11 geared...it'll just be LOLoE

Maybe. Some of those mobs hit damn hard still. Their health is very high, AoE spells do little damage comparatively, and healer mana is not infinite. Even if you don't CC, focus fire DPS is almost always better than just straight AoE except on specific pulls.

[shadet]

I've not started on live heroics yet, (2 average ilvl points away damn you bliz) but all 5 man normals are a AoE fest. There's a few hard hitting mobs that I have seen cause some problems but nothing that an appropriately geared healer and tank can't handle! Heroics (if they're anything like on beta) will be a lot more challenging and yes CC will be needed. Until that point it's just a rep feast for fun!

[Calon]

Between BRC, ToT and Stonecore, I've been fine without any CC. But then again, I try not to pug healers.

[Traejun]

Maybe. Some of those mobs hit damn hard still. Their health is very high, AoE spells do little damage comparatively, and healer mana is not infinite. Even if you don't CC, focus fire DPS is almost always better than just straight AoE except on specific pulls.

It's the usual - casters should use non-channeled AE, then Nuke; and Melee should cleave as often as possible while mixing in hard hitters.

Some mobs are hitting hard, but as long as you don't boo-boo-pull an extra pack, any decently geared tank should be fine.

[Vook]

I hear ya. Three times now, I've been in a group with a tank that just keeps chainpulling over and over again, even when I tell him to stop and let me drink. I guess they just don't grasp the concept that dungeons are actually hard now, and healers actually have to drink again.

[kerwyn]

Between BRC, ToT and Stonecore, I've been fine without any CC. But then again, I try not to pug healers.

Heroic or normal. Because the double stonecaller pull, without CC on one and heavy FF On the other, will utterly annihilate you on heroic.

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It's the usual - casters should use non-channeled AE, then Nuke; and Melee should cleave as often as possible while mixing in hard hitters.

Some mobs are hitting hard, but as long as you don't boo-boo-pull an extra pack, any decently geared tank should be fine.

But there's nothing wrong with that. Hell, that's basically what we've been doing with 1-2 mobs CC'd per pull.

There is something wrong with spamming blizzard/rain of fire/hurricane, etc, to victory.

[Cernunnos]

BRC and TOT are 78-80 dungeons on reg mode. They are designed for people in storm peak/ice crown glacier quest items and blues (item level<200). They are AOE fests in item level 277/284

Grim Batol is an 85 regular dungeon, designed for level 83-85 quest blues and greens (item level 333). While still AOEable, it's not hard. It's regular mode. Aoe is still possible yes, not as easy as doing it in BRC or TOT but still doable.

[Jurio]

I think it's jacked up that blizzard would make 5 mans so hard. Not only did they make the the mobs a lot harder than wrath, they totaly nerffed healers mana. CC's shit is boring and makes me want to quit. Aoe'ing is fun.

wtf, why make it LESS fun blizzard, seriously

[kerwyn]

I think it's jacked up that blizzard would make 5 mans so hard. Not only did they make the the mobs a lot harder than wrath, they totaly nerffed healers mana. CC's shit is boring and makes me want to quit. Aoe'ing is fun.

wtf, why make it LESS fun blizzard, seriously

Sorry, but Spamming rain of fire is not fun. CC isn't even hard. Half of the time we have the CCer pull, then the tank do something like Consc/D&D/TC, etc in the way of the mobs as they approach the CCer who's backing up. It's very simple. most of the time we have the pull dead before the CCer needs to recast.

[phyrix]

In some runs I've had a really hard time keeping everybody alive as a healer. Did Lost city of the Tol'Vir this afternoon, and somebody died just about every trash pack.

The mage's sheep and my hex almost always got broken, and that was only after I insisted we use some CC, as the tank would round up mobs just like we're used to from wrath.

I also run out of mana pretty fast. I only dinged 85 this morning, but a manapool of just shy of 70k and 2k mp5 in combat doesn't seem that little to me.
The tank also pulled when I had 20% mana.

People, and especially tanks and healers, need to learn to play again after wrath, and some refuse to do so it seems. They'll just keep rushing shit like they do now, annoying their fellow partymembers in the process, till they outgear stuff. And they won't have learned anything.

Don't get me wrong, I love the changes, I love the fact that stuff is harder now. I just hate that people aren't adjusting.

[Koen]

I think it's jacked up that blizzard would make 5 mans so hard. Not only did they make the the mobs a lot harder than wrath, they totaly nerffed healers mana. CC's shit is boring and makes me want to quit. Aoe'ing is fun.

wtf, why make it LESS fun blizzard, seriously

/Facepalm

/Facepalm

/TRIPLE Facepalm

Honestly. People that encourage dump game play don't really know what they are talking about. Or are just brain dead. It's not fun to press the same button over and over again for ages. In general the WoW community agrees with this so if you don't like it, please quit already.

[Shirimasen]

I've just been amazed by how rusty me, and my guildies are with CC. Do i sheep before, during, or after the pull, and yet, i still suck at timing :P

Other than that, bar some intentional trashpacks in heroics, it seems like AoE is a pretty bad idea. The number of retardins and DKs that have broken my CC over the past day or two is rediculous...

And i hate to steriotype, but it generally is those classes...

[pandar]

I think it's jacked up that blizzard would make 5 mans so hard. Not only did they make the the mobs a lot harder than wrath, they totaly nerffed healers mana. CC's shit is boring and makes me want to quit. Aoe'ing is fun.

wtf, why make it LESS fun blizzard, seriously

Just stop...people like you make me hate people like u.

[Cernunnos]

And i hate to steriotype, but it generally is those classes...

Divine storm and disease is part of their rotation, single target or AOE. They are both AOE abilities.

It's like how Warriors used to hit the beasts on saurfang, if they weren't caareful when they used whirlwind pre 4.0.1. Whirlwind was the hardest hitting ability most of the time, and it was an aoe ability that you were using for single target DPS. You gonna cleave by accident in a situation like that. Same applies to ret paladins and DKs.

That or their just idiots and are trying to mindlessly AOE like we did in wrath.

[Shadowviper]

I think it's jacked up that blizzard would make 5 mans so hard. Not only did they make the the mobs a lot harder than wrath, they totaly nerffed healers mana. CC's shit is boring and makes me want to quit. Aoe'ing is fun.

wtf, why make it LESS fun blizzard, seriously

Please, just quit wow. Like uninstall, and disconnect your internet.

Anyways, I've done a few of them. BRC we were able to just gather and AoE but we did notice that they did hit a tad hard. Stonecore we were unable to even think about doing that which make me extremely happy. Had to actually CC, Mark, interrupt heals and hard hitting casters, Disarm melee while we nuked and actually pay attention which I missed a lot. I can see how Cataclysm will hopefully make the bad players learn how to play or make them quit overall making a better playing experience for many players.

[phyrix]

If CC gets broken by abilities like Whirlwind and Divine Storm, the pull was bad. You're supposed to CC on pull and then pull the mobs away from the CC targets to prevent exactly this.

[Rizendragon]

/Facepalm

/Facepalm

/TRIPLE Facepalm

Honestly. People that encourage dump game play don't really know what they are talking about. Or are just brain dead. It's not fun to press the same button over and over again for ages. In general the WoW community agrees with this so if you don't like it, please quit already.

The guy you responded to is the one that likes using the in game "i win button" and just chain everything so he has the "phattest lewtz." He's most likely a wrath baby.

OT - Hopefully we won't be out gearing these any time soon. Also blizzard has said that they'll be adding 5-mans with each raid tier, so we'll always have some difficult 5's to do if we do actually out gear these.